What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?

[Caroline]

There have been plenty of scenarios on the forum suggesting accomplices or involvement from others. Whilst unlikely, it's not impossible.

From a legal point of view in terms of building a case against JB and proving his guilt, it would have been more difficult if it was not enough to simply prove Sheilas innocence.

I know you know what I mean, you're just pent up because of our palm print difference of opinion.  :D

Yeah, I spent time thinking about that 

[No-Bits]

Yeah, I spent time thinking about that 

I don't know what that means, but you seem to be getting a bit sensitive, so I'll leave you to it. 

[lookout]

Mainly because it doesn't make any sense. Jeremy did say 'gun' to the police. 

What I'm getting at is-----------if Jeremy was alleged to have used his fathers' voice,,plus phoned from WHF into the bargain,,would Neville have called it a gun or a rifle ?
It's only those who knew Neville,,who would know that he referred to a rifle as a rifle and not a gun ( as in a shotgun )

[Adam]

If Sheila has gone crazy and got the gun. There were actually 4 people in the house.

June & Neville were both adults who could work together. Either to restrain Sheila, or attempt to protect or wake up the twins. If Sheila was making such a big commotion that Neville had to ring Jeremy & the police, would the twins not have got out of bed & left the bedroom. Six year olds can be hyperactive. Or June would be in the twins bedroom. Protecting them while Neville phoned.

However the twins were fast asleep & June was shot with her head on the pillow. So probably fast asleep as well. Neville also being shot in the bedroom.

It all suggests someone creeping upstairs.

[No-Bits]

What I'm getting at is-----------if Jeremy was alleged to have used his fathers' voice,,plus phoned from WHF into the bargain,,would Neville have called it a gun or a rifle ?
It's only those who knew Neville,,who would know that he referred to a rifle as a rifle and not a gun ( as in a shotgun )

Yes Lookout,  but Jeremy used the word gun to the police.

So whether the phone call took place or not, the word 'gun' was used by JB.

[lookout]

 In other words,,if this was the case,and Jeremy was emulating his father,,then he slipped up badly ?

[grahameb]

If Sheila has gone crazy and got the gun. There were actually 4 people in the house.

June & Neville were both adults who could work together. Either to restrain Sheila, or attempt to protect or wake up the twins. If Sheila was making such a big commotion that Neville had to ring Jeremy & the police, would the twins not have got out of bed & left the bedroom. Six year olds can be hyperactive. Or June would be in the twins bedroom. Protecting them while Neville phoned.

However the twins were fast asleep & June was shot with her head on the pillow. So probably fast asleep as well. Neville also being shot in the bedroom.

It all suggests someone creeping upstairs.

Or creeping across the landing?

[grahameb]

Yes Lookout,  but Jeremy used the word gun to the police.

So whether the phone call took place or not, the word 'gun' was used by JB.

So why do you think Jeremy used the word "gun" if he knew it was a rifle?

[lookout]

Yes Lookout,  but Jeremy used the word gun to the police.

So whether the phone call took place or not, the word 'gun' was used by JB.

So we have to establish whether the word gun was meant for all the guns/rifles as a whole,,or not.
You see,,if Neville made the call,,he would have referred to it as the " rifle" if that's what Sheila was holding. There's a heck of a difference in the two. " One of my guns ",,doesn't mean anything to me.
Even if it means me asking Jeremy himself,,,,as a gun is a gun and not a rifle.

[No-Bits]

So why do you think Jeremy used the word "gun" if he knew it was a rifle?

How Lookouts mind works, I do not know, but I attach no significance to the word used and have no knowledge whether it was usually, occasionally or never used to refer to a firearm.

[Caroline]

I don't know what that means, but you seem to be getting a bit sensitive, so I'll leave you to it. 

Not at all - just verbal tennis - love! 

[lookout]

How Lookouts mind works, I do not know, but I attach no significance to the word used and have no knowledge whether it was usually, occasionally or never used to refer to a firearm.

You leave my mind alone.It does alright. I'm a thinker,,but my thoughts don't always come out as planned.

[Jane]

If Sheila has gone crazy and got the gun. There were actually 4 people in the house.

June & Neville were both adults who could work together. Either to restrain Sheila, or attempt to protect or wake up the twins. If Sheila was making such a big commotion that Neville had to ring Jeremy & the police, would the twins not have got out of bed & left the bedroom. Six year olds can be hyperactive. Or June would be in the twins bedroom. Protecting them while Neville phoned.

However the twins were fast asleep & June was shot with her head on the pillow. So probably fast asleep as well. Neville also being shot in the bedroom.

It all suggests someone creeping upstairs.

Why MUST you cling to the mind set that Sheila was making a commotion? She wouldn't have needed to have crept up the stairs, just moved as usual.

[No-Bits]

You leave my mind alone.It does alright. I'm a thinker,,but my thoughts don't always come out as planned.

 :D

[lookout]

 During the inquest of Sheila,,I noted that Anafranil hadn't been present in her system. This was increased from 10mg a night to 30mg,,and is an anti-depressant. So you have to also question why Sheila wasn't taking that as well as the Stelazine ( anti-psychotic ) then the Procyclidine ( which counteracts the side-effects of the anti-psychotic medication ).
Only the remains of the Halpol was found in her system,,which takes medication 72 hours to clear through. So besides there having been a reduction in the intramuscular injection,,Sheila had not taken any of the other prescribed medication. A definite recipe for disaster,,which Sheila knew,that if she didn't adhere to her regime of medication,then her illness would have returned with a vengeance.