What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?

[lookout]

I think you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head.

In very simple terms, it was decided that only Sheila or Jeremy could have committed the crime, by eliminating Sheila, Jeremy was deemed responsible.

I don't quite know the reasons for narrowing down the suspect list to those two, but I think the defence made a big mistake by apparently accepting that to be the case. I'm not sure why they did that. 

Neither am I sure how or why that conclusion was reached,,knowing that dead people can't talk !

[No-Bits]

Neither am I sure how or why that conclusion was reached,,knowing that dead people can't talk !

Well I know why it was reached, it was decided that Jeremy was the only person who had access to a seemingly secure house.

What I don't understand is why the defence accepted that to be the case. Perhaps I am being unfair to the defence team, but it appears to me, as a lay person, as if they missed a trick.

[Caroline]

I think you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head.

In very simple terms, it was decided that only Sheila or Jeremy could have committed the crime, by eliminating Sheila, Jeremy was deemed responsible.

I don't quite know the reasons for narrowing down the suspect list to those two, but I think the defence made a big mistake by apparently accepting that to be the case. I'm not sure why they did that. 

Because of the phone call.

[No-Bits]

Because of the phone call.

That's not what I meant.

[Caroline]

That's not what I meant.

Don't know what you mean, only what you say 

[No-Bits]

Don't know what you mean, only what you say 

I meant what I said.  :D

I'm not sure why the defence so easily accepted that it was only those two, even if that was likely the case. It allowed the prosecution to infer guilt by eliminating Sheila.

[Caroline]

I meant what I said.  :D

I'm not sure why the defence so easily accepted that it was only those two, even if that was likely the case. It allowed the prosecution to infer guilt by eliminating Sheila.

They didn't have much choice. The phone call suggested it was Sheila 'Sheila's gone crazy, she's got the gun' but if the jury didn't believe there was a phone call, then it had to be Jeremy (because he claimed to receive the phone call). If they used the phone call in their evidence (which they did) then the suspects can only really be Jeremy or Sheila?

[lookout]

 The " gun " is also debateable to my mind,,as I've mentioned before,,whether Neville called the shotgun-------gun,,or the rifle-----a gun.
My money would be on the fact that Neville called a rifle a rifle,,and not a gun.

Jeremy would know this one.

[No-Bits]

They didn't have much choice. The phone call suggested it was Sheila 'Sheila's gone crazy, she's got the gun' but if the jury didn't believe there was a phone call, then it had to be Jeremy (because he claimed to receive the phone call). If they used the phone call in their evidence (which they did) then the suspects can only really be Jeremy or Sheila?

There have been plenty of scenarios on the forum suggesting accomplices or involvement from others. Whilst unlikely, it's not impossible.

From a legal point of view in terms of building a case against JB and proving his guilt, it would have been more difficult if it was not enough to simply prove Sheilas innocence.

I know you know what I mean, you're just pent up because of our palm print difference of opinion.  :D

[Adam]

The problem with the phone call is it does not match the situation. Threads already created.

'Come quickly' - Things are happening. No time to make phone calls.

'Sheila's gone crazy' - Things are happening. No time to make phone calls.

'And she's got the gun' - Things are happening. No time to make phone calls.

[No-Bits]

The problem with the phone call is it does not match the situation. Threads already created.

'Come quickly' - Things are happening. No time to make phone calls.

'Sheila's gone crazy' - Things are happening. No time to make phone calls.

'And she's got the gun' - Things are happening. No time to make phone calls.

I agree, a guilty JB would have been better off not inventing a phone call at all.

[lookout]

I agree, a guilty JB would have been better off not inventing a phone call at all.

And that's part of why I say Jeremy is innocent. Someone with intentions to murder doesn't go shouting his mouth off everywhere as Jeremy is alleged to have told RWB and also JM.
Neither would they start by phoning the police,after the " deed " was done. As things stand,,he'd have been no worse off not phoning. The police would have had to have worked a jolly sight harder if Jeremy hadn't phoned them.

[Adam]

I created two threads saying why Jeremy phoned the police. The second suggesting it was a decision made on the night after the kitchen fight.

The words Neville apparently used had to sound serious enough to justify Jeremy ringing the police. However they sounded so serious there are at least 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not phone Jeremy in this situation.

[lookout]

The " gun " is also debateable to my mind,,as I've mentioned before,,whether Neville called the shotgun-------gun,,or the rifle-----a gun.
My money would be on the fact that Neville called a rifle a rifle,,and not a gun.

Jeremy would know this one.

Nobody has spotted this little hint.

[No-Bits]

Nobody has spotted this little hint.

Mainly because it doesn't make any sense. Jeremy did say 'gun' to the police.