What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?

[Alias]

You cannot dictate that people answer your questions. When will it sink in? It is an unanswerable question, since nobody knows what Sheila was doing: we were not there. Mason said as much, but you are never satisfied, are you? When are you going to stop?
As you know, I have put you on ignore, but I can still see your mostly rude and childish posts when other posters quote them - and I also have the option of clicking "read post" as I did now out of curiosity. But that is the exception. Two posters now have you on ignore, why do you think that is?

[Adam]

You cannot dictate that people answer your questions. When will it sink in? It is an unanswerable question, since nobody knows what Sheila was doing: we were not there. Mason said as much, but you are never satisfied, are you? When are you going to stop?
As you know, I have put you on ignore, but I can still see your mostly rude and childish posts when other posters quote them - and I also have the option of clicking "read post" as I did now out of curiosity. But that is the exception. Two posters now have you on ignore, why do you think that is?

Because you cannot handle someone who beleives Jeremy is guilty & answers back.

You want everyone to discuss how Jeremy is innocent & how there has been a MOJ.

I am well aware you have got all self rightious & put me ignore. You do not have to keep repeating it. Unless you really are reading my posts.

[Alias]

Because you cannot handle someone who beleives Jeremy is guilty & answers back.

You want everyone to discuss how Jeremy is innocent & how there has been a MOJ.

I am well aware you have got all self rightious & put me ignore. You do not have to keep repeating it. Unless you really are reading my posts.

I have you on ignore because I find your posting style super-annoying, that´s why! Don´t flatter yourself.

[lookout]

MD,,that was some post.
My years of experience with people in general has taught me to " sniff out " those who I think are bad. I reckon that I'd be able to suss Jeremy out in no time. I can just tell,,and have gut feelings about people,,something which is only gained by experience over the years.
I remember this case vividly,and when it was on the news,I also remember saying outright that it wasn't him,,but I hadn't studied the rest of the family,either immediate or extended at the time,,it was his body language that I'd studied.
Since having read about his background,then the abysmal investigation into what was a mass murder case,I couldn't believe the anomalies that stared you in the face.Even the die-hard anti's would have to admit and agree that to hold a trial under those circumstances was unsafe.
If the same trial was held today,Jeremy would walk,,providing he didn't have a duff defence such as he'd had in the past.
Then again,,when you don't have all of the relevant information such as files and documents to hand,you're fighting with one hand behind your back anyway.

I only hope at this stage,that the new information which is being put forward,contains the necessary proof once and for all,and by the sound of it,it's " some " paperwork that was inadvertantly sent from PII,which had got mixed in with items that were requested.
Jeremy seems delighted about it anyway,so let's hope that further decisions don't take years to come to fruition with red-tape and bureaucracy that exists with these sorts of things.
 

[Mason Doyle]

MD,,that was some post.
My years of experience with people in general has taught me to " sniff out " those who I think are bad. I reckon that I'd be able to suss Jeremy out in no time. I can just tell,,and have gut feelings about people,,something which is only gained by experience over the years.
I remember this case vividly,and when it was on the news,I also remember saying outright that it wasn't him,,but I hadn't studied the rest of the family,either immediate or extended at the time,,it was his body language that I'd studied.
Since having read about his background,then the abysmal investigation into what was a mass murder case,I couldn't believe the anomalies that stared you in the face.Even the die-hard anti's would have to admit and agree that to hold a trial under those circumstances was unsafe.
If the same trial was held today,Jeremy would walk,,providing he didn't have a duff defence such as he'd had in the past.
Then again,,when you don't have all of the relevant information such as files and documents to hand,you're fighting with one hand behind your back anyway.

I only hope at this stage,that the new information which is being put forward,contains the necessary proof once and for all,and by the sound of it,it's " some " paperwork that was inadvertantly sent from PII,which had got mixed in with items that were requested.
Jeremy seems delighted about it anyway,so let's hope that further decisions don't take years to come to fruition with red-tape and bureaucracy that exists with these sorts of things.
 

Phew, I've only just drawn breath...

[lookout]

Oh dear,was it that bad ?

[Mason Doyle]

'The evidence in court was crap'

I bet you were itching to contribute to my recent thread on whether the trial was fair & whether evidence was hidden.

I would have appreciated you're input as no one gave any evidence of unfairness or withheld evidence. But I am sure all will be revealed in the book.

Adam, I've got to be honest mate, nothing you infer has me 'itching' to do anything.  I admire your tenacity but your logic and replication of others opinion does not really appear on my radar.     

[grahameb]

Nice question Adam. I shall do as you ask, and therefore shall not answer. However, I wasn't there, nor were you (at least I hope you weren't), so its pure conjecture based on nothing but 'allegiance' whatever anyone claims.

Many people proclaim themselves 'experts' in this case, reality is, people are basing so called 'new evidence' on the inarticulation of others, or police cock ups - which, unlike you seem to accept - are very common, sadly all of this affects innocent and guilty lives.  Yet people want to believe the system is flawless - believe me, it isn't.  People won't accept this because its scary, it goes against the grain, they want to feel safe and secure.  I worked in the police for three decades, I hasten to add - with an unblemished record. But would I trust a coppers word then or now, no I wouldn't. Some, it has been proven in court, would rob their own family all for the sake of money. 

People are dicks in all walks of life, not only in the police, look at politicians, councillors, thespians, singing stars et al, for me, that's what makes the world such an interesting place - liars, cheats and oddballs exist in walks of society, they are not exclusive to the incarcerated criminal community.  Despite this, I believe most people are rightly in prison, as we now know, those who shout loudest about their innocence aren't always what they seem.  Jeremy Bamber was found guilty on evidence in a court of law, thats a fact. The question remains, was the provenance of that evidence true?

You can make all the claims you like and copy what others say because it sounds acceptable, you even say you read book reviews before you buy a book. Let me tell you most book reviews are penned by people fuelled with jealousy and insecurities, many are known to the author, writers used to accept them, but no longer, why? Because people no longer put their name to them, they lack credibility without the provenance of real identity.
Sad thing is, until you actually research this case, live it every day and night for years, listen to Jeremy Bamber, the police, witnesses, barristers and people it affected, I've done them all, then you cannot appreciate the pressures all of these individuals endure. 

Opinion is great, I accept it, but living with this case day and night as I have, and there are a few people on here who know what I've gone through, makes you take stock and realise the traumatic affect that still endures. I had no allegiance at the outset, I have no allegiance now, I have researched this entire case objectively. I get on well with Jeremy, we laugh and talk together, but then I laugh with Ronald DeFeo too, he admits he murdered his family, each year I get cards off the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales, and serial killers such as Peter Sutcliffe - juxtaposition of morality or what?. In this case, me and Jeremy are two different people, I absolutely liked Stan Jones when I spoke to and interviewed him, doesn't make either Stan or Jeremy right in what they may or may not have done.

Jeremy is the only person on this planet who knows the truth, not the relatives, not the courts, not the media, and certainly not the red.  The evidence at court was crap, you know it, we all know it, however, that means nothing because a jury of Jeremy's peers, lay people who were not instructed correctly, believed it. Therefore it all becomes fact.  In most circumstances, without such pressure, most people would err on the side of caution, jury's cannot, pressure is on them to deliver a verdict. 

That's just my thoughts Adam, I know you have your own but trust me, an open mind is the best one to keep in everything involving the establishment, its my belief there is no such things as coincidence. Things do get contrived.

A very good and balanced post MD.

[grahameb]

I have you on ignore because I find your posting style super-annoying, that´s why! Don´t flatter yourself.

I thought you said you had him on ignore?

[grahameb]

MD,,that was some post.
My years of experience with people in general has taught me to " sniff out " those who I think are bad. I reckon that I'd be able to suss Jeremy out in no time. I can just tell,,and have gut feelings about people,,something which is only gained by experience over the years.
I remember this case vividly,and when it was on the news,I also remember saying outright that it wasn't him,,but I hadn't studied the rest of the family,either immediate or extended at the time,,it was his body language that I'd studied.
Since having read about his background,then the abysmal investigation into what was a mass murder case,I couldn't believe the anomalies that stared you in the face.Even the die-hard anti's would have to admit and agree that to hold a trial under those circumstances was unsafe.
If the same trial was held today,Jeremy would walk,,providing he didn't have a duff defence such as he'd had in the past.
Then again,,when you don't have all of the relevant information such as files and documents to hand,you're fighting with one hand behind your back anyway.

I only hope at this stage,that the new information which is being put forward,contains the necessary proof once and for all,and by the sound of it,it's " some " paperwork that was inadvertantly sent from PII,which had got mixed in with items that were requested.
Jeremy seems delighted about it anyway,so let's hope that further decisions don't take years to come to fruition with red-tape and bureaucracy that exists with these sorts of things.
 

I wish I had your confidence lookout.

[Adam]

Adam, I've got to be honest mate, nothing you infer has me 'itching' to do anything.  I admire your tenacity but your logic and replication of others opinion does not really appear on my radar. 

That hurts.

[grahameb]

That hurts.

I think it was meant to Adam. Those fiery sarcastic darts are difficult to extract from one's butt as I found out to my cost.

[lookout]

I wish I had your confidence lookout.

It comes with age and experience Grahame.( I'm coming back as a bloodhound.)

[grahameb]

It comes with age and experience Grahame.( I'm coming back as a bloodhound.)

Go track dem crimnals lookout.

[Alias]

I thought you said you had him on ignore?

I do, but I can see his posts when they are quoted.