what new evidence?

[Adam]

Grahame,,sadly it isn't until after an" event" such as what took place,,that you begin to start doubting and thinking over a number of things,,as in Jeremys' situation over the years. He's had more than enough time to think things over.
Initially,,after the deaths/funeral and the sorting of the business side of things,i.e.the farm and it's finances,there's little time to grieve and your mind is left in a confused state anyway.Let's not forget that Jeremy was very young at the time,and death/s would have been the last thing on his mind,as it normally is when you're young.
Then to be confronted with being blamed for the murders is enough to confuse anyone when they know themselves that they didn't do it,must have been a lot to take onboard over such a short time,,and because you know you didn't do it would leave you speechless really,so you're naturally not prepared,simply because at that point,it doesn't make sense.
How can you possibly put up a " fight " when you don't know anything ? Jeremy only knew what he knew, and that was that once he'd left WHF that evening and went home.How can you know anything beyond that ?
It was up to the police to do their job,,which initially,they did,and "Taff " Jones,with over 30 years,and many recommendations under his belt,solved the crime there and then. But for some unknown reason,,he was removed from the case ??
It was after his, " Taff " Jones's death that everything went awry.Nobody was happy,,least of all the relatives,,who the jury weren't aware,,had everything to gain if Jeremy was convicted.
Stan Jones came along and immediately turned everything upside down,,much to the delight of the relatives,who'd already befriended him along with others in the force,,then the corroboration began.
Even the " top " man,in his day,Mick Gradwell admitted that it was a botched investigation,,so what does that tell everyone ?

That on entering the farmhouse,,the two bodies that were logged as being found,suddenly became one. There's no getting away with what was entered in their log books,,two bodies and a further three upstairs.
Then there was the rifle spotted in the upstairs window,,which had found itself PLACED on top of Sheila,,along with the supposed bible,,which wasn't on her person,,but at the side of her body.
The moving figure at the window,,which clearly outlined a figure because of the artificial light in the background,making a silhouette. Yet it was swiftly changed as being a " trick of the light ".
The shattered bullet in Sheilas' jaw,,that became a whole one when presented to the jury.
The sheer lack of investigation into whose blood/prints were on the bible. Again,,the lack of forensic investigation leading to the " grab " marks on both Junes' and Nevilles' forearms,which could quite possibly have been Sheilas' nails if Vanezis had bothered to take scrapings from underneath.
Marks of " unknown origin " isn't good enough a result from someone who is trained in forensic science.
We didn't see or hear much of the broken rifle-butt,or who it belonged to.

This was NOT an in-depth investigation,,and whatever new evidence has come to light has probably been staring us all in the face. It is said that the simplest things are the easiest to find,,or solve,in this case. There is obviously something in this latest evidence that is pleasing to Jeremy,so let's hope it's not too long before he gets results.
I've said many a time that it was/is a complex case--------well it needn't have been if it had been conducted properly in the first place. For it to be complex,,you have to make it that way !   

The broken rifle butt belonged to the rifle.

[Adam]

Grahame,,sadly it isn't until after an" event" such as what took place,,that you begin to start doubting and thinking over a number of things,,as in Jeremys' situation over the years. He's had more than enough time to think things over.
Initially,,after the deaths/funeral and the sorting of the business side of things,i.e.the farm and it's finances,there's little time to grieve and your mind is left in a confused state anyway.Let's not forget that Jeremy was very young at the time,and death/s would have been the last thing on his mind,as it normally is when you're young.
Then to be confronted with being blamed for the murders is enough to confuse anyone when they know themselves that they didn't do it,must have been a lot to take onboard over such a short time,,and because you know you didn't do it would leave you speechless really,so you're naturally not prepared,simply because at that point,it doesn't make sense.
How can you possibly put up a " fight " when you don't know anything ? Jeremy only knew what he knew, and that was that once he'd left WHF that evening and went home.How can you know anything beyond that ?
It was up to the police to do their job,,which initially,they did,and "Taff " Jones,with over 30 years,and many recommendations under his belt,solved the crime there and then. But for some unknown reason,,he was removed from the case ??
It was after his, " Taff " Jones's death that everything went awry.Nobody was happy,,least of all the relatives,,who the jury weren't aware,,had everything to gain if Jeremy was convicted.
Stan Jones came along and immediately turned everything upside down,,much to the delight of the relatives,who'd already befriended him along with others in the force,,then the corroboration began.
Even the " top " man,in his day,Mick Gradwell admitted that it was a botched investigation,,so what does that tell everyone ?

That on entering the farmhouse,,the two bodies that were logged as being found,suddenly became one. There's no getting away with what was entered in their log books,,two bodies and a further three upstairs.
Then there was the rifle spotted in the upstairs window,,which had found itself PLACED on top of Sheila,,along with the supposed bible,,which wasn't on her person,,but at the side of her body.
The moving figure at the window,,which clearly outlined a figure because of the artificial light in the background,making a silhouette. Yet it was swiftly changed as being a " trick of the light ".
The shattered bullet in Sheilas' jaw,,that became a whole one when presented to the jury.
The sheer lack of investigation into whose blood/prints were on the bible. Again,,the lack of forensic investigation leading to the " grab " marks on both Junes' and Nevilles' forearms,which could quite possibly have been Sheilas' nails if Vanezis had bothered to take scrapings from underneath.
Marks of " unknown origin " isn't good enough a result from someone who is trained in forensic science.
We didn't see or hear much of the broken rifle-butt,or who it belonged to.

This was NOT an in-depth investigation,,and whatever new evidence has come to light has probably been staring us all in the face. It is said that the simplest things are the easiest to find,,or solve,in this case. There is obviously something in this latest evidence that is pleasing to Jeremy,so let's hope it's not too long before he gets results.
I've said many a time that it was/is a complex case--------well it needn't have been if it had been conducted properly in the first place. For it to be complex,,you have to make it that way !   

The investigation was in depth. It would not have gone through the DPP if it was not.

Jeremy was charged in 1985 & sent to trial in 1986. Plenty of time for the defence & prosecution to investigate the case further. 

The mistakes early on benefitted Jeremy. The police were taking action & making decisions based on the assumption that Jeremy was innocent.

[lookout]

No substance whatsoever in your replies. You're so repetative,it's becoming predictable.

[Jan]

No substance whatsoever in your replies. You're so repetative,it's becoming predictable.

he is lecturing again. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Alias]

Wasn´t it a mantra at the trial that Sheila´s hands and feet were spotlessly clean? The photo of the soles of her feet only recently emerged and show that they were not clean - there was blood on them.
Her hands don´t look clean either, still it was maintained at the trial.

[Alias]

he is lecturing again. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I can´t see that!  All I can see is: "You are ignoring this user." Then I have this option: "Show me the post." Do I want to use that option? Nah.... 

[Caroline]

Jeremy said years later that the police were in conversations with persons inside WHF.

Jeremy was not aware of this on the night.

Jeremy didn't say it!! It's in the official police logs!!

[Caroline]

Wasn´t it a mantra at the trial that Sheila´s hands and feet were spotlessly clean? The photo of the soles of her feet only recently emerged and show that they were not clean - there was blood on them.
Her hands don´t look clean either, still it was maintained at the trial.

And in Vanezis's written autopsy notes (written on the day of the autopsy) he states that her hands WERE blood stained and the the stain on her nightdress was from he palm!!

[grahameb]

I'm so sorry to be a bore folks. But I must insist on someone listing the new evidence, that is evidence discovered since the original trial. Is there anybody here capable in doing this? I started this thread, not so it can mimick all other threads that Adam feels that he can commandeer and turn it into his own private podium to discuss evidence that was in existence at the original trial.

[Jan]

the photograph of blood running from the wounds in SC , I am assuming the jury did not see this photo?

[lookout]

Grahame,,I'm just going to see if I can find The Times newspaper from the 14th of October 1985,,as there were some headlines stating that the jobs of at least 3 senior officers were at risk,regarding enquiries of the murders at WHF. Should be interesting at who they are,if named,and also the reason why.

[lookout]

D'oh,,got to the archives of The Times,now it won't let me log in. How do they know it's the wrong password if I've never logged in before ?

[guest154]

I wish people would answer Grahams question in this topic. I'm interested.

[Caroline]

D'oh,,got to the archives of The Times,now it won't let me log in. How do they know it's the wrong password if I've never logged in before ?

The password system will only know that the information entered doesn't match anything stored. The response of incorrect password is sent automatically when it receives incorrect data.

[grahameb]

Since nobody here is capabl of answering my question can I assume from this that all this NEW evidence that folk keep going on about is all just hype and that in reality there has been no new evidence discovered since the original trial?