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Offline Jane

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Ok, lets run through the finding of the silencer scenario, David Boutflour has already been in various rooms at the farmhouse where there had been bloodshed. He is now in the cupboard, fiddling around recovering bits and pieces, he finds the telescopic sights, and silencer for the rifle. Upon picking up the silencer and examing it, he does not see any blood upon it. He takes into the kitchen at whf and puts it on the kitchen table so that himself, his sister Ann Eaton, and his father Robert Boutflour can examine it. What becomes obvious by that stage is that there is no visible blood upin the silencer, otherwise when David showed the silencer to them at that time, he would have not said to them, 'look, I have found the silencer to the gun', he would have said something like, 'Look at this, look what I've just found tucked away in a box at the back of the cupboard in the downstairs office', he would have said, 'look, its got blood on it'...

His sister, and father, one or other, or perhaps both of them , would surely have taken a closer interest in the silencer at that stage, and upon seeing any blood upon it they would have tpld hom to leave the silencer on the kitchen table for the police to come and collect it from the scene. They would not have bungled a blood stained silencer into the boot of Ann Eatons car, along with Sheila's heavily bloodstained underwear, and driven all the way to the Eaton residency with the silencer, blood soaked panties and other loot they had plundered from the scene, being bounced and thrown this way, then that, up and down, left and right, without risk of contamination. Then upon arrival at the Eatons, the loot in the boot of the vehicle has to be carried out of the boot into the kitchen and the silencer placed on the kitchen table, where David looks at the silencer sgain, and he notices blood upon it for the first time. Blood which could only have got onto the silencer in the handling or transportation process. You would not I would suggest, upon seeing blood upon the silencer for the first time, start trying to physically attempting to unscrew the end cap of the silencer eith a view of looking inside. To have done this at that stage would be unthinkable, since if blood had genuinely been found on the silencer, it was for the police to deal with it, not the relatives...

Mike Good Morning :) What you omitted to say was, by the time of the visit to the farm house, Ann had already begun her "super plod" mode complete with pocket book so I think it may safely be assumed that wherever was found Ann, there was found someone looking for ANYTHING they could lay hands on.

I can't respond to most of your posts because, frankly, I know sod all squared about what THINGS do, but I DO know what people are likely to do. The words "Look, I have found the silencer to the gun" MAY at first imply that "the gun" had been the previous topic of conversation. However, in this context, they appear to have been said for no more than effect, like a line in a very bad stage play. I feel, more appropriate words would have been "Oh my God" OR, given their intentions "Gotcha!!!" Surely, under the circumstances, given that they HAD just found it and NOT just put it there, the most obvious course of action would have been to ring the police there and then and ask THEM what should be done about it. I rather imagine they'd have been told to leave it in situ and NOT to handle it.

Their actions suggest to me that the reason they didn't tell the police immediately was because they wanted to be ABSOLUTELY certain that by the time they handed it in there would be NO doubt that it had been used in the murders. As for that single colourless hair, did not RWB, if memory serves me correctly, have an abundance of it.

Offline lookout

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Oh,,a good post there,April,,and you've expressed a lot of my own thoughts too such as the " finding " of the silencer,and above all,that grey hair ! Yes,RWB indeed.

Offline mike tesko

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Don't you mean "both failed to make" or "neither made", rather than "neither failed to make"?

Hi Reader,

You are right, I misphrased it...
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Offline mike tesko

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The very fact that the jury were being asked to decide Jeremy's fate, on the basis that blood found in the silencer belonged to an intimate mixture of the parents bloods, or alternatively blood which was unique and exclusive to Sheila Caffell, it was all the more important for the jury to know that David Boutflour had extensively handled it, scraped a small flake of blood, by use of a razor blade, and his attempt to unscrew the silencers end cap off, so he could look inside it - god knows why anyone would want to tamper with a blood stained exhibit...
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 03:38:PM by mike tesko »
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Offline mike tesko

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Alarm bells are ringing, in the knowlege that the small flake scraped from the silencer continues to remain something of a mystery, even though Davud Boutflour has boasted to police that he had done what he had done, the criminal justice system continues to pretend Boutflour did nothing wrong, however much he may have interferred with the integrity of the silencer evidence in this case. Yet if the boot had been on the other foot, and police were trying or wanting to convict Boutflour of some wrong doing or other, his interference of the silencer would be used to help convict him...

Silencer evidence was dodgy, silencer evidence is dodgy, the prosecution witnesses who sought to intriduce it as the pinnacle exhibit that would nail Bamber for the murders, are all dodgy characters who no-one should ever trust or beleive...
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 04:16:PM by mike tesko »
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Offline lookout

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Or even touch an exhibit at all,,instead of phoning the police there and then,,like the relatives were constantly fond of doing. Why,in this case,,didn't they phone the police to let them deal with it ???

Offline mike tesko

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Police knew the relatives were trying to pin the murders on Jeremy, and police knew that David Boutflour had interferred with a small blood flake on the silencer, which almost certainly got there by a process of contamination, during handling and transportation of it, from person to person, and place to place. It was like a game of pass the parcell, albeit layers of paper were not being removed everytime the music stopped playing, blood, paint from the aga, exhibit references, a grey hair, and a shiny scratch , were being added...
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 04:28:PM by mike tesko »
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Offline lookout

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It's when you read things like this that give no credence to a case,that you're forced to say that the whole thing was a farce from start to finish,,including the trial itself,,and the reason that the defence were duff was because they themselves had nothing to go on,,simply because there was no case to answer,,but they just weren't clever enough to see through the spin !

Offline mike tesko

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Right up to the point, where the jury sent a note to the trial judge, asking him what the chances of the parents blood being in the silencer, Essex police and the relatives waited with baited breath hoping no-one would ever find out that not only had David Boutflour had removed a key exhibit from the silencer itself, which was capable of supporting the defence argument that the blood scraped off and withheld was in fact animals blood. It is understood that the small flake of blood in question was examined at the lab' in May 1986, but the results not disclosed or revealed in time of the trial. The discovery of this small flake on the silencer is a dramatic new twist, since by May 1986,  police knew the significance of the AK/1 blood obtained from amongst animal blood of the flake. Police knew that the AK/1 part of the animal blood results, was identical to human AK/1, and that if this news got out it would serve to torpedo the blood in the silencer evidence which the prosecution of Jeremy Bamber intended to rely on...
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 05:26:PM by mike tesko »
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Steps were taken during the trial for additional silencers to be brought to court just in case the defence got wind of the flake of animals blood which Boutflour junior had removed from a silencer. It was going to be said that animals blood (AK/1) had been found on, or in a different silencer...

I have more information on this matter that I will be revealing in due course, should the need arise...

« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 05:39:PM by mike tesko »
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Offline lookout

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What will destroy the whole credibility of the case is the information that Jeremy inadvertantly received which was under PII. Sent by mistake when Jeremy requested material for this latest CCRC application.
Whatever it contains,,proves Jeremys' innocence,so providing there's no dragging of feet to kill the time it takes before it reverts to " old " evidence,,as time is of the essence when new evidence is found,,then this time,,he'll be on to a winner.

Offline mike tesko

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I can reveal that blood in the form of animal blood was stuck on the flat end of the silencers end cap,and that some of this animal blood had entered the bore on the end cap - David Boutflour removed a small flake from the end of it using a razor blade, which he claims he retained it because it fascinated him, but police visited him and took possession of the flake which upon being analysed was found to be blood from two different animals. What  is vastly significant however, was that animals blood had flooded the silencers aperture, and this means that when the silencer in question was last used, it had been used to kill animals, believed to be either rabbits, or rats, or one of each. Now, this was why police kept this information a closely guarded secret, because the presence of these animals bloods in the silencer situated in such a prominent position on and inside the silencer, means that the same silencer could not have been used on the gun that killed Sheila, otherwise it would have been her blood that was present inside the silencers  aperture, and in the small flake the Boutflour son had scraped off...

Tell tale animal blood (AK/1) clue on / in silencer, key to miscarriage of justice
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 09:55:PM by mike tesko »
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How did the loose flake bearing the same blood groups as Sheila, get beyond the animals blood clogging up the silencers end cap, without getting contaminated with the AK/1 enzyme found in these animals bloods?
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I should think that animal blood in silencers are probably a common thing on farms isn't it? Where a farmer walks up to an animal and shoots it at close range in order to prevent it from suffering further?

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Hi Grahame,

Yes, animal blood on a weapon or component part of a weapon would be common place on a farm, but the interesting thing about the flake the Boutflour son took from the silencer in the vicinity of the end caps aperture, was that the aperture itself was full of animals blood, not human blood, so it begs the question, how did any human blood get into the silencer without getting contaminated with the AK1 blood enzyme of these animals - the answer is that they couldn't...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...