A Circle of Lies...

[Adam]

She was so drugged up Jeremy lead her to her death calmly after showing her, her dead twins.

Sheila was found in the corner of her parents bedroom. Probably cowering with no where to run.

[Adam]

Jeremy told JM----" tonight's the night ".

That is what Julie said.

[Adam]

Jeremy cycled along the rickety path in mud at dead of night.

He was young & fit & knew the route.

He also had a bike. Mysteriously brought to the cottage just before the massacre. Apparently for Julie although the judge asked why if their relationship was coming to a close.

[lookout]

No,,Adam,,we haven't played into your hands. These are the remarks from the boneheads who didn't look any further than the ends of their noses,,and it took 19 days to reach conclusions like this

Corruption ruled in this case. What happened to Nevilles' expensive watch which was surreptitiously kicked under the carpet ? Did Jeremy " flog it " ? No,,it probably went the same way as Oscar Pistorius's watches !

[susan]

Adam and when Jeremy phoned her in the middle of the night and said something wrong at the farm and she told him to go back to bed.  Get real.

[Adam]

Adam and when Jeremy phoned her in the middle of the night and said something wrong at the farm and she told him to go back to bed.  Get real.

She was tired. Jeremy had phoned her at 3am. Twenty minutes before he got a call from Neville. Why phone Julie if you do not even know what had happened ?

Didn't Jeremy also phoned Julie again at 6.00am & tell her to come over,  before the raid team had entered WHF ?

[lookout]

Poor Adam. Thought you were on a roll again,,but there was no substance nor explanation to your answers.

[grahameb]

Sheila was found in the corner of her parents bedroom. Probably cowering with no where to run.

A far cry from what you said in the beginning. I was paraphrasing what you yourself had said.

[grahameb]

She was tired. Jeremy had phoned her at 3am. Twenty minutes before he got a call from Neville. Why phone Julie if you do not even know what had happened ?

Didn't Jeremy also phoned Julie again at 6.00am & tell her to come over,  before the raid team had entered WHF ?

Her first statement said 3.20am. After 32 police interviews this "mysteriously" turned into 3.00am.

[grahameb]

She was tired. Jeremy had phoned her at 3am. Twenty minutes before he got a call from Neville. Why phone Julie if you do not even know what had happened ?

Didn't Jeremy also phoned Julie again at 6.00am & tell her to come over,  before the raid team had entered WHF ?

So?

[Adam]

A far cry from what you said in the beginning. I was paraphrasing what you yourself had said.

Yes my original scenario said she was lead there, half asleep and the pounced on.

However I have since said it was possible she was cowering in the corner.

[grahameb]

Yes my original scenario said she was lead there, half asleep and the pounced on.

However I have since said it was possible she was cowering in the corner.

So now you've changed your view from full of drugs and lead like a lamb to the slaughter to wide awake and running from Jeremy?

[Adam]

So now you've changed your view from full of drugs and lead like a lamb to the slaughter to wide awake and running from Jeremy?

When did I say full of drugs ? A cheese & pickle sandwich maybe.

Either explanation is possible.

[Jan]

Her first statement said 3.20am. After 32 police interviews this "mysteriously" turned into 3.00am.

Actually her original statement said 3.30  - so OWS were

3.10 JB gets call from NB - panicking and not quite sure what the whole call was really about - he tries to call his father back   several times and can not get through.  Then still not sure whether to call police ( no mention of any shooting only the fact that Sheila had the gun)  He decides to call the police . Now we have no idea of timings because the EP changed logs - There are documents to prove this - and so are there calls at 3.26 or 3.36 or both ? Was the clock wrong ? One PC says yes it was another says no.So here we have to rely on Police evidence that has been changed or not even released - so two cars dispatched - one at 3.35 - before they say JB even called.  So very possible that JM did receive the call at 3.30 as per her original WS

So the question is if the police are telling the truth SC had from 3.10 to the arrival of the police 3.45? to kill 4 people - possible yes.

If the police are not telling the truth and NB did make the other call at 3.26 then we are assuming that no one had been killed by this time? Is that assumption correct ? We don't know.

Also are we correct in the assumption that no one was killed after the police had arrived? What could they hear outside?

The fact is that the police had been criticised for changing logs etc - but some of those logs and tapes have never even been released - and that is the point -we still do not have all the information to unravel crucial timings - so for people like Adam to be throwing around timings and using them as fact is misleading . If the police can not or will not confirm all the timings then why should he use them as basis for his scenarios.

 

[lookout]

Good post Jansus. The audio-tapes would be a good place to start,,and recordings of what the TFU were actually saying on entering WHF.