Robert Boutflour statement to COLP, 1991, provisional copy

[mike tesko]

Robert Boutflour statement to COLP, 1991, provisional copy

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The contents of this draft statement, were written up on 15th August 1991, and any references to the finding of the silencer in the gun cupboard at whf, in this draft copy do not necessarily mean that Robert Boutflour referred to this in the statement he made on 10th September 1985 - such details could have been recorded in statements that he made after 11th September 1985...

Apologies for the quality of page 10 contents, its what I have got...

[mike tesko]

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[mike tesko]

Edited Version of aforementioned Statement, dated, 4th September 1991, consisting of 45 Pages, will appear on this thread, very soon:-

Please take time to read and compare details between both versions....

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[lebaleb]

How well did Boutflour Snr know Neville or Jeremy? He says he hardly ever visited WHF, didn't know the office... still he found the safe keys. No mention of Pam visiting her sister at WHF either. Most of their meetings seem confined to OSC meetings.
After stating he still had the impression Jeremy had an aversion to shooting game, he seems to have the impression he could easily kill 3 adults and two 6 year olds. He says it was strange that Jeremy would be interested in shooting rabbits when he never wanted to go hunting with him and Neville. Well, I enjoy going to the pub but it doesn't mean I want to go with my dad and his cronies.
The tampax container made him suspicious, it could have been used to wipe down the gun... yes, but by whom? Shiela was having her period.
He says Neville was fastidious about putting away his guns... in the gun cupboard? under his bed? In the cupboard under the stairs? in the bathroom? Anyway he may well have put the gun left by Jeremy away. Judging by the rest of the house [no disrespect]I don't think any of them could be described as neat freaks.
Possibly the most important point was the ammunition with the silencer. I could never understand why Shiela would need to return to the gun cupboard... she may have gone there to reload the final bullet and put away the silencer??

[TheBrilliantMistake]

I'll say this for Boutflour Snr...

He made no bones about loathing Jeremy.

I'm not saying he was right or wrong, but fair play to him for being open about that.
It's hardly surprising IF he thought he did it...

I'm worried that once you think someone's done something, all their actions get interpreted a certain way (negatively).... which becomes self-fulfilling. Jeremy might have sat in the very chair where his father was found dead. If he KNEW (as per RB's eyes) it was just more proof of his sick nature. If he was innocent, he'd have no idea (assuming he'd not been told).

Imagine a drink driver had killed your child...  and you then saw them coming out of a pub drunk again, and getting into a car...
That must be how Boutflour felt.

Thing is, IF you really thought Jeremy did it, and you saw him do that? why didn't it get very heated?
Jeremy must have known right there. Did the family REALLY manage to keep their feelings about him secret?

[Kaldin]

I'll say this for Boutflour Snr...

He made no bones about loathing Jeremy.

I'm not saying he was right or wrong, but fair play to him for being open about that.
It's hardly surprising IF he thought he did it...

I'm worried that once you think someone's done something, all their actions get interpreted a certain way (negatively).... which becomes self-fulfilling. Jeremy might have sat in the very chair where his father was found dead. If he KNEW (as per RB's eyes) it was just more proof of his sick nature. If he was innocent, he'd have no idea (assuming he'd not been told).

Imagine a drink driver had killed your child...  and you then saw them coming out of a pub drunk again, and getting into a car...
That must be how Boutflour felt.

Thing is, IF you really thought Jeremy did it, and you saw him do that? why didn't it get very heated?
Jeremy must have known right there. Did the family REALLY manage to keep their feelings about him secret?

I get the impression that he hid his loathing from Jeremy though. He seemed to be quite pleasant to his face.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

He'd certainly made up his mind (by his own admission really) by the time Jeremy got up from that seat.

Why would you sit down in there? (just out of curiosity), I can only really imagine walking through, and that would be at a push.

I just get the impression 'their world' and 'my world' are some distance apart.

[sandy]

Reference to finding the silencer in the cupboard page 130.

[sandy]

Some interesting information from Roberts statement...

"When June had her breakdown it was at a very difficult time for her. Jeremy was cohabiting with a married woman, that was totally against her Christian belief."

"I also found out after the trial from Agnes Lowe, June's wartime friend whom she apparently confided in, that June had caught Sheila copulating with Colin Caffell in either the barn or a hayfield and later had to take Sheila to a London abortion (FOR MISCARRIAGE/NATURAL ABORTION?) or VD clinic. I can't recall which."

"At the caravan site meetings he was always on his best behaviour and the A.G.M.'s he would have had the books and knew how much his mother and my wife Pam received from the sites profits. As a result he was aware that my wife gave Ann and her husband half of her profits. At one of the AGM's I recall Jeremy asking June why she didn't give him more and I recall she replied something like "not until you learn to live properly". I think that it was then that he asked to be a director of the Company in order that he be salaried."

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