Did Jeremy hate June ?

[Adam]

And please tell me what Sheila could have realistically been doing when Neville made his mysterious call to Jeremy.

Or you can't.

[Adam]

In fact you cannot even back up your scenario by bullet allocation as you said. Where does the missing bullet casing come in your equation? Even your sceario is a sham and not properly worked out.

Jeremy said Sheila shot herself downstairs. But why were two cartridges found next to her ?

Video already posted upon request, or are going to claim you have not seen it.

[Caroline]

Jeremy said Sheila shot herself downstairs. But why were two cartridges found next to her ?

Video already posted upon request, or are going to claim you have not seen it.

Actually Adam, no, he didn't say that - the campaign/legal team have suggested it to explain WHY the police logs don't add up - such as the 'one dead male. one dead female' entry. Jeremy doesn't have access to the internet, he doesn't specifically write the information on his website. Surely you must know that?

[Adam]

Actually Adam, no, he didn't say that - the campaign/legal team have suggested it to explain WHY the police logs don't add up - such as the 'one dead male. one dead female' entry. Jeremy doesn't have access to the internet, he doesn't specifically write the information on his website. Surely you must know that?

He must authorise it and engage with them. It is his OS.

[Alias]

Very funny. Just to confirm to anyone who has not bothered reading the Amazon 5 star reviews, none of them believe Jeremy to be innocent.

That is not true. There were three, all five stars, I copy/pasted them here for all to see. Two of them think that Jeremy, first review, may be innocent and should have a new trial, third review: Jeremy is definitely innocent.

Here, I post them again:

1.
n excellent read, going into most detail, very gripping, but after reading it, and finding the evidence Jeremy was convicted on, I have my doubts. Theres a difference between fiction and fact, and young people bragging, its one of those cases that really should have every shed of evidence pulled out again, (although some has been destroyed) and gone over in detail to establish the exact truth what really did go on that day at the farm.

2.
This is an excellent balanced assessment of the White House Farm Murders which may yet be under further review if and when Jeremy Bamber appeals again. Wilkes clearly and succinctly assesses and accounts for all forensic evidence and witness statements available. Another more recent book does not achieve such balance.

Long term, Wilkes's book should remain a very useful addition to anyone's true crime collection. If, and only if, any further appeal against the original verdict fails, this book deserves to be republished so that a wider audience can appreciate all aspects of a distressing but also fascinating murder case.

3.
after reading this book i felt like i wanted to do something to help jeremy its so obvious he is innocent


Are you still going to say that none of the reviewers think that Jeremy is innocent???

P.S. I´d better put up the link, so that YOU and others can see for themselves. You are spreading lies.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1854872214/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

[Adam]

 Feb 2009This is an excellent who-dun-it true life crime mystery. This is an excellent non-biased book about Jeremy Bamber and the murder at White House Farm. Did Jeremy Bamber carry out this awful massacre of his family - although I believe he may well have, am not entirely convinced. If he did, then I feel sure his girlfriend at that time Julie Mugford, knew more than she let on and only went to the police when he dumped her as she did not want to be implicated in any way. Also, if he did commit the crime he would not have been able to say she had known of his plans, otherwise that would have been admitting his guilt. I was very concerned when reading this very intriguing story that the young Caffell children should ever have been allowed to stay in a house where guns were kept loaded or unloaded in shower rooms, kitchen, den, etc., although no comment was ever made in book about this. I found this book almost impossible to put down, extremely well-written and easy and straight-forward to read. Would recommend to all real-life crime readers - best book I've read in years

[Adam]

Oct 2010who could forget this awful crime, a very well written book, couldnt put it down, very factual, allows you to make your own mind up, remember this case well, well i did back then, and my opinion is the same now, as far as im concerned, common sense prevailed at the trial and bamber was found guilty of all the murders, what i do believe is that jeremy believes he is innocent and will fight to the end to prove it, if he secures an appeal in the future and is released, it will be on a technicality, wait and see, i hope he rots in jail then onto hell. Rest in peace sheila, nicholas, daniel, neville and june.7 of 11 people found this review helpful

[Adam]

aseGreat account of the White House Farm Shootings of 1985. Its a classic account of a whodunit ; either Jeremy Bamber or his mentally ill sister Sheila, of whom only one could have caused the deaths since Sheila was found dead herself. The book leaves you in no doubt that Jeremy Bamber is guilty but still very much leads you to make your own judgement based on the evidence thoroughly presented. Its very obvious based on the circumstantial evidence that Bamber is guilty. It would surely simply be too much for so many people to be biased or self interested, including the police, family of those murdered and primary witness Julie Mugford, who attested that Jeremy had admitted wanting to kill his family. This is one of those very interesting cases whereby had the police done a better job, the rightful killer (Bamber or Sheila) would have been found from day 1. As it was with no DNA evidence in 1985, exhibits not found by the police (the rifle moderator) at the start and a bungled investigation, the truth may never be known with any certainty. One thing for sure is that Jeremy Bamber knows himself! Understand that a new book is to come out soon by former MP Andrew Hunter (pro Bamber) called 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

[Adam]

These are the only reviews I have found on Amazon. I cannot bring up you're link. Which is a fault with my phone.

[Alias]

The three reviews I posted above are on Amazon.uk, there is one review at the Amazon main page (American I guess.)

It is also a five star review, but this person also doubts Jeremy´s guilt.

I remember I was 10yrs old when these murders took place and it seemed like a pretty open and shut case. After reading this book, I'm not so sure anymore. The police really did screw up this investigation and were extremely sloppy. I don't think this book proves that Jeremy Bamber is innocent beyond doubt, but I don't think the evidence proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt either. Many people including members of Bamber's family commented on his behavior, which they found suspicious. To be honest, I found the behavior of the Eatons and Beautflours to be far more unusual, and in some cases quite appalling. The fact that they were going in and out of that house and helping themselves to stuff was pretty tacky. The fact that Ann Eaton moved into the farmhouse so soon after a horrific crime took place was quite disturbing too. I don't believe for one minute that Bamber's family are guilty of murder, but I wouldn't be surprised if they saw this as an opportunity to get their hands on his inheritance, which was quite substantial. I believe that it is quite plausible that Bamber's sister committed these murders and from reading this book I developed my own theory. Bamber knew his sister was mentally ill and it is possible he knew that she was on the verge of a relapse. Bamber did leave the gun in the kitchen in view full of everyone and at the time it seemed normal, but something about it didn't seem quite right. What if he left the gun out in the hope that Sheila might do something crazy. He wouldn't be guilty of murder, and he would be free to live the life he wanted. One thing that is notable, is that Bamber has a magnetic personality and has the ability to manipulate people. Jeremy Bamber seems like someone who is good at getting other people to do things for him, whilst he keeps his hands clean. I know, it's a long shot, but I do Bamber shouldn't have been convicted on the evidence that was presented, and he should be allowed a retrial.

http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Relations-Jeremy-Murders-Penguin/product-reviews/0140242007/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

WHERE ARE YOUR REVIEWS FROM, ADAM

[grahameb]

Still waiting for the classroom full of law students who all said they found Jeremy innocent proof.

I will post the OS & find the Sunday times forum now. Even though you have read both.

You said Jeremy played with the twins & lots of people testified on his behalf in court. Sources please.

No I didn't. As for the other. Do your own work like you told me to. I found documentary proof that JM said what I said she said. Don't be lazy now.

[grahameb]

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/

Under the heading Julie Mugfords NOTW deal.

Jeremy accussing her of lying, committing fraud, being a criminal & making false witness statements. All because he apparently jilted her.

In my view, saying 'bad things'.

Adam can you be a bit more specific and pinpoint what it is I am supposed to be looking at please. I cannot see anything there that you are saying? I pinpointed a newspaper article so that it was very clear to you. Please show me the same courtesy.

[grahameb]

Jeremy said Sheila shot herself downstairs. But why were two cartridges found next to her ?

Video already posted upon request, or are going to claim you have not seen it.

This shows why you haven't read statement properly. Two of the raid team both stated that sheila was shot twice. But there was only one cartridge case found next to her. Would you like me to spoon feed you those two statements for you as well?
Now just that one discrepancy throws out your whole scenario. If you cannot find that one cartridge case then that immediately disrupts you whole bullet placement on which you have based your scenario.

[grahameb]

Jeremy said Sheila shot herself downstairs. But why were two cartridges found next to her ?

Video already posted upon request, or are going to claim you have not seen it.

Yes I have seen it. Now give the reference in that video where Bamber accused JM.

[grahameb]

He must authorise it and engage with them. It is his OS.

No he does not authorise anything the campaign tean put up on that website. The only thing he contributes is his blog. As I have said before. Good grief! You're hard work. I wish you'd used your own brain for a change instead of getting others to do your work for you.