Did Jeremy hate June ?

[Jan]

It is quite easy to investigate what the police would do in a siege situation. A 'nutter' with a gun. Common sense to me.

But Adam - in your scenario the house would have been absolutely still and quiet  no movement at windows,no lights being switched on or off  no persons waving a gun at them , no sounds of any shots absolutely nothing except for the dog barking . Why did they wait so long and then call more armed back up etc etc . This is in the days before H&S risk assessment etc ( or if they did one the document has not been exhibited)

with those children at risk it is not common sense to me that they waited so long before entering the house

[grahameb]

He does on the OS.

Adam could you provide a link please? I didn't know that?

[maggie]

Isn't it possible that an early childhood memory is never truly forgotten and measures taken even if only subliminally to guard against any future recurrence..

Don't believe Jeremy suffered that badly Steve, many children have suffered appalling, horrifying abuse and have never murdered anyone. Don't believe being called The Bastard for a while before findinv your place at boarding school is likely to make you a murderer. Also Ralph and June offered love and security, it was his natural parents who rejected him.

[Adam]

You have quoted from the OS yourself. So find it.

[grahameb]

You have quoted from the OS yourself. So find it.

OK

[Steve_uk]

As I've already said. A petty burglary doesn't equate to committing 5 murders.
Jeremy got it in first before the mis-trusting girlfriend did. He wasn't obliged to admit to doing it,,the same as he wasn't obliged to have done anything other than turn over after his father rang him on the night of the murders. In fact,,in view of what happened to him,,he may as well have stayed in bed,because nobody would have been any the wiser considering that there was no forensic evidence to link him with any murders. I wonder what the police would have done then ?? Apart from scratch their heads and behinds.

The telephone call from Nevill is crucial here surely,because if it did occur then Jeremy should be a free man. I can only surmise that Jeremy was anxious that law enforcement didn't discover his sister alive with two shots in  contrast to the overkill of the other four victims as he determined on a course of delaying entry with his public school accent hoodwinking those present into his point of view.

[Adam]

But Adam - in your scenario the house would have been absolutely still and quiet  no movement at windows,no lights being switched on or off  no persons waving a gun at them , no sounds of any shots absolutely nothing except for the dog barking . Why did they wait so long and then call more armed back up etc etc . This is in the days before H&S risk assessment etc ( or if they did one the document has not been exhibited)

with those children at risk it is not common sense to me that they waited so long before entering the house

It was still & quiet. With only a dog barking. Or as Mike suggested, was that Sheila ?

If there was a nutter with a gun, I would call for specialist armed back up. This was the EP in a quiet village where there was little crime. Not Bodie & Doyle.

[Steve_uk]

Don't believe Jeremy suffered that badly Steve, many children have suffered appalling, horrifying abuse and have never murdered anyone. Don't believe being called The Bastard for a while before findinv your place at boarding school is likely to make you a murderer. Also Ralph and June offered love and security, it was his natural parents who rejected him.

I don't think Jeremy ever truly bonded with his parents. If only there were something I could put my finger on I might question the title of this thread,but all I see is a boy starved of love,compensating this for sexual promiscuity after Gresham's and tragically not settling down to family life with Suzette Ford due to her miscarriages,June's disapprobation or a combination of both.

[lookout]

The funeral footage has Jeremy looking down, his hand covering his face. His crying seems to be more of a groan & there were no tears. It is an OTT performance after failing to attend a memorial service  &  realising the cameras were there.

It was no OTT performance at all. It looked a painful " cover-up " of his actual feelings which were in full view,right in his face ! He probably felt like falling in a heap and yelling out,,but wouldn't he have got some stick for that too He couldn't do right for doing wrong and his every movement was scrutinised by everyone. He had to stand tall and keep himself together for the sake of the haridan on his arm,,yet if you care to look at everyone else at the funeral,,it's only Jeremy that appears to be wracked in pain !!!

[Steve_uk]

But Adam - in your scenario the house would have been absolutely still and quiet  no movement at windows,no lights being switched on or off  no persons waving a gun at them , no sounds of any shots absolutely nothing except for the dog barking . Why did they wait so long and then call more armed back up etc etc . This is in the days before H&S risk assessment etc ( or if they did one the document has not been exhibited)

with those children at risk it is not common sense to me that they waited so long before entering the house

The point was Jeremy thought he was covered if he was back at Goldhanger and in his own scenario he could hardly ignore the emergency call from his father. Once he had telephoned the Police by proxy as it were he could hardly turn over and go back to bed.

[grahameb]

You have quoted from the OS yourself. So find it.

Can't see anything there about this. I think you are stretching the truth a bit. I have never rerad anywhere that Jeremy has said anything against Julie Mugford.

[Adam]

It was no OTT performance at all. It looked a painful " cover-up " of his actual feelings which were in full view,right in his face ! He probably felt like falling in a heap and yelling out,,but wouldn't he have got some stick for that too He couldn't do right for doing wrong and his every movement was scrutinised by everyone. He had to stand tall and keep himself together for the sake of the haridan on his arm,,yet if you care to look at everyone else at the funeral,,it's only Jeremy that appears to be wracked in pain !!!

Why do you think Jeremy failed to attend the memorial service ?

Colin Caffell would have been just as upset. His reaction is much more natural.

Julie looks very uncomfortable. Knowing what she knows. She did not want to attend, but Jeremy persuaded her.

[maggie]

I don't think Jeremy ever truly bonded with his parents. If only there were something I could put my finger on I might question the title of this thread,but all I see is a boy starved of love,compensating this for sexual promiscuity after Gresham's and tragically not settling down to family life with Suzette Ford due to her miscarriages,June's disapprobation or a combination of both.

I would hazard a guess Jeremy bonding with his parents is an issue to you and others because he's adopted, it's true some adoptions don't work well but many, many do.  Some natural children and parents don't bond too well either. I wonder, did Julie Mugford bond with her Mother ..... oh sorry .... not an issue because it was a biological relationship!!! Must have been perfect then!!! 

[Adam]

Can't see anything there about this. I think you are stretching the truth a bit. I have never rerad anywhere that Jeremy has said anything against Julie Mugford.

Errr. Use you're eyes.

Under Julie Mugford and NOTW deal.

[susan]

Grahame I would be interested to read that wonder where it is on the forum I have never read one bad word that Jeremy has said about Julie he wrote to her from prison asking her why she had done this to him and the letter was returned to him.