Did Jeremy hate June ?

[Adam]

Adam - I can read amazon reviews on my own thank you.

Any comments on the fact that the EP destroyed evidence against the instructions of the court?

And that there are still documents and photos held under PII that have never been seen by a jury?

Cluthcing at straws.

There was a 19 day trial & three appeals.

[Jane]

I prefer to read all the pro & anti Jeremy information online as well as the best reviewed book.

Then make my own mind up. It is clear to me Jeremy is guilty.

Jeremy's story falls apart in the first minute. Neville phoning Jeremy at 3am ? Come on.

Trouble is Adam, you gage everything which happened by your own experiences, which going by that you can't believe that a phonecall happens at 3 am, are limited to non existent.  Never mind, hopefully, as you grow up you'll become more qualified to make objective judgement calls.

[Jan]

the trial was not comprehensive enough if they did not see all the relevant evidence or some of it was deliberately with held

Why did the police destroy evidence against the specific instructions of the court ? And why are they still holding on to documents now?

And are you saying that no-one is entitled to a re-trial ( in general principle) if new evidence comes to light?

[Adam]

It is how I feel.

Sheila was not shooting when Neville made his call. Neville would not have had the 5 - 10 minutes to make two calls.

So if no shots were being fired Neville & June would have calmed her down. Or wrestled the gun away. Certainly not phoned Jeremy at 3.26.

Neville certainly would not have left Sheila alone in another room with a gun, while he went downstairs to phone Jeremy.

[Adam]

the trial was not comprehensive enough if they did not see all the relevant evidence or some of it was deliberately with held

Why did the police destroy evidence against the specific instructions of the court ? And why are they still holding on to documents now?

And are you saying that no-one is entitled to a re-trial ( in general principle) if new evidence comes to light?

The trouble is no new compelling evidence has come to light to justify a re trial.

It is up to the defence to get evidence.

[Steve_uk]

which book are your posts copied and pasted from?

And when its says who could have anticipated? well JM for one - apparently she knew for months before.

got any comments of your own - rather than plagiarism

Dear Jansus I had the same comment from a member of sitcoms online with my Margaret Thatcher thread,which I wrote in the ten minutes it took me to type. I really should be flattered but I sense a miasma of petty jealousy when you really should know better than to accuse me of plagiarism.

[Jan]

I prefer to read all the pro & anti Jeremy information online as well as the best reviewed book.

Then make my own mind up. It is clear to me Jeremy is guilty.

Jeremy's story falls apart in the first minute. Neville phoning Jeremy at 3am ? Come on.

If it is the wilkes book that has had extracts posted then I definitely will not be reading it - that kind of flowery setting of the scene and trying to read peoples thoughts when the writer was not actually there is not the kind of writing that would appeal to me I am afraid .

Nevilles call at 3 - well if JB did it and it did not exist ( which would be a fact) then yes what a slip up to use it as a cover up.JB could have not had any idea how the EP would react - they may have heroically entered the house to save the lives of the children and seen all the blood pouring from wounds which would prove it had just happened. Much simpler just to leave the house Fully locked from the inside to be discovered in the morning - with  less of a chance of a determination of  time of death - the trail will have gone cold . Especially as JB believed that the telecommunications company could record calls - it was a dangerous and silly ploy within a supposedly brilliant plan.Bit like the silencer and telling JM really . Brilliant evil man? Or silly fool?

[Jan]

Dear Jansus I had the same comment from a member of sitcoms online with my Margaret Thatcher thread,which I wrote in the ten minutes it took me to type. I really should be flattered but I sense a miasma of petty jealousy when you really should know better than to accuse me of plagiarism.

If they are all your own words - then I apologise - I am so used to the copying and pasting from Adam it gets confusing

And if they are you have a good imaginative style of writing - but in my humble opinion not suited to this kind of case. Perhaps use your obvious skills in writing fiction.OR both you and Adam could just add to your posts - from XXX book - or "in my own inevitable style " Then we would all be clear.

[Adam]

If it is the wilkes book that has had extracts posted then I definitely will not be reading it - that kind of flowery setting of the scene and trying to read peoples thoughts when the writer was not actually there is not the kind of writing that would appeal to me I am afraid .

Nevilles call at 3 - well if JB did it and it did not exist ( which would be a fact) then yes what a slip up to use it as a cover up.JB could have not had any idea how the EP would react - they may have heroically entered the house to save the lives of the children and seen all the blood pouring from wounds which would prove it had just happened. Much simpler just to leave the house Fully locked from the inside to be discovered in the morning - with  less of a chance of a determination of  time of death - the trail will have gone cold . Especially as JB believed that the telecommunications company could record calls - it was a dangerous and silly ploy within a supposedly brilliant plan.Bit like the silencer and telling JM really . Brilliant evil man? Or silly fool?

I have already created a thread about why Jeremy called the police.

The judge suggested Jeremy felt confident in telling Julie. She had acted as lookout for the caravan break in. Jeremy also wanted to boast to someone. Julie would suspect anyway after his plans to burn WHF down.

Anyway Jeremy gave himself a proxy and did not admit to doing it himself.

[Adam]

If it is the wilkes book that has had extracts posted then I definitely will not be reading it - that kind of flowery setting of the scene and trying to read peoples thoughts when the writer was not actually there is not the kind of writing that would appeal to me I am afraid .

Nevilles call at 3 - well if JB did it and it did not exist ( which would be a fact) then yes what a slip up to use it as a cover up.JB could have not had any idea how the EP would react - they may have heroically entered the house to save the lives of the children and seen all the blood pouring from wounds which would prove it had just happened. Much simpler just to leave the house Fully locked from the inside to be discovered in the morning - with  less of a chance of a determination of  time of death - the trail will have gone cold . Especially as JB believed that the telecommunications company could record calls - it was a dangerous and silly ploy within a supposedly brilliant plan.Bit like the silencer and telling JM really . Brilliant evil man? Or silly fool?

If the police foolishly stormed WHF straight away and saw fresh blood. So what ? They arrived 22 minutes after Jeremys phone call.

[Jane]

Dear Jansus I had the same comment from a member of sitcoms online with my Margaret Thatcher thread,which I wrote in the ten minutes it took me to type. I really should be flattered but I sense a miasma of petty jealousy when you really should know better than to accuse me of plagiarism.

Dear Steve, I for one, certainly WON'T allow you to be placed on the same rung of the ladder as Adam.

[Steve_uk]

If they are all your own words - then I apologise - I am so used to the copying and pasting from Adam it gets confusing

And if they are you have a good imaginative style of writing - but in my humble opinion not suited to this kind of case. Perhaps use your obvious skills in writing fiction.OR both you and Adam could just add to your posts - from XXX book - or "in my own inevitable style " Then we would all be clear.

No other member here has ever accused me of plagiarism. The Wilkes book was written with the cooperation of Jeremy and I suggest that you do not lightly dismiss it,however guarded Jeremy's comments to the author were throughout.

[Adam]

It is how I feel.

Sheila was not shooting when Neville made his call. Neville would not have had the 5 - 10 minutes to make two calls.

So if no shots were being fired Neville & June would have calmed her down. Or wrestled the gun away. Certainly not phoned Jeremy at 3.26.

Neville certainly would not have left Sheila alone in another room with a gun, while he went downstairs to phone Jeremy.

[Adam]

What do people think of this ?

Seems like common sense to me.

[susan]

Hello april

steve has a wonderful way with words although my views are so different than his I have to compliment him on the way he words his posts they deserve to be read.