Did Jeremy hate June ?

[Steve_uk]

The introspection became a hallmark of his character,which he attempted to conceal through an  exaggerated social bravado,but the die was cast,which stood him in good stead during the Police interrogations and his subsequent incarceration. His loneliness was exacerbated through the solitary corn carter activity where he would spend countless hours confined in the tractor,sequestered in that desolate Essex landscape whilst yearning to break free of the shackles imposed upon him by a thoughtless Nevill and June..

[tyler]

Unfortunately you are not in a position to state at all how Jeremy 'felt',Steve!

[Steve_uk]

treating him as no more than a well-paid hired hand,unable to express tangible love in any meaningful sense,Nevill resorting to taciturnity before him and tears to John Seward,whilst June refused to write any  more personal cheques possibly at her husband's behest,and could not look the son in the eye she felt so inadequate before,a sign Jeremy misread to mean she didn't care,when she cared only too much. It was for this reason that Jeremy shot her right between the eyes as he peered at her for the last time,vowing to expunge all traces of his former life as he sought the new pastures his inheritance would furnish..

[Steve_uk]

Who could possibly have anticipated Jeremy's thoughts as he went through the motions of farming those last few months,justifying five deaths with the lamest of excuses,yet absolving himself simultaneously of blame as the lack of all blood ties made its presence felt and came to the fore. The plan was meticulously formulated yet imperfectly executed,as an ignorant Jeremy underestimated how many pellets he would need to dispatch them all whilst running up and down that winding Georgian staircase to reload,blundering spectacularly with Sheila by not executing her cleanly with just the one bullet, his dilemma aggravated by having to feign a suicide yet unable to risk her surviving from a misdirected solitary shot..

[maggie]

Jeremy felt on his own at Gresham's after he divulged to a fellow pupil that he was adopted and subsequently became an object of ridicule by the sons of the East Anglian landed gentry,who labelled him "The Bastard". Jeremy didn't have the nous to respond but filed the comment away in his mind,whereupon he reclaimed a modicum of respect through his gun prowess.

I'm afraid these things are relevant and provide the backdrop to the tragedy which became infamous as the White House Farm murders.

I Steve, according to Wilkes Jeremy had a difficult time when he first went to Greshams
and some called him The Bastard for a while but it seems he settled down well and was perfectly happy there for the rest of his school days we are told.

[Jan]

which book are your posts copied and pasted from?

And when its says who could have anticipated? well JM for one - apparently she knew for months before.

got any comments of your own - rather than plagiarism

[Jane]

The introspection became a hallmark of his character,which he attempted to conceal through an  exaggerated social bravado,but the die was cast,which stood him in good stead during the Police interrogations and his subsequent incarceration. His loneliness was exacerbated through the solitary corn carter activity where he would spend countless hours confined in the tractor,sequestered in that desolate Essex landscape whilst yearning to break free of the shackles imposed upon him by a thoughtless Nevill and June..

And the clever mind is then one you referred to as being a dimwit?

[Jane]

treating him as no more than a well-paid hired hand,unable to express tangible love in any meaningful sense,Nevill resorting to taciturnity before him and tears to John Seward,whilst June refused to write any  more personal cheques possibly at her husband's behest,and could not look the son in the eye she felt so inadequate before,a sign Jeremy misread to mean she didn't care,when she cared only too much. It was for this reason that Jeremy shot her right between the eyes as he peered at her for the last time,vowing to expunge all traces of his former life as he sought the new pastures his inheritance would furnish..

Who is there, who with any truth , is CAPABLE of telling you that June couldn't look Heremy in the eye because she felt inadequate? As for the shot between the eyes, it can equally well be said that it was Sheila's revenge on a mother who spied on her most intimate moments.

[Jan]

Steve and Adam obviously read the same books . Full of embellishment and setting of scenes and assumptions . the writer obviously had a wild imagination. IMO not at all appropriate writing for such a tragedy.

[Adam]

Steve and Adam obviously read the same books . Full of embellishment and setting of scenes and assumptions . the writer obviously had a wild imagination. IMO not at all appropriate writing for such a tragedy.

What books have you read on the subject ?

[Jane]

What books have you read on the subject ?

Since most of us have lived through this case from the time it occurred, what can a book do OTHER than give us something to quote from?

[Jan]

What books have you read on the subject ?

honest answer I have not - I am more interested in statements from the police /raid team /family and documents that you can freely see on the archive section of this forum and others . I am not interested in embellishing the story and from the posts you have used I definitely would not want to read that style of book.  That is not to say I wont read a more current book - but that will be because it will be up to date with things that have been discovered recently. It would be a waste of my valuable time to read an old book when some of the factual documents are on here ( although of course the EP destroyed a lot of them against the instruction of the court and they are still holding documents under the PII  ) I don't expect you have any comment on that FACT though Adam.

[Adam]

An Amazon 5 star review. All the reviews gave it 5 stars - Wilkes book.


Great account of the White House Farm Shootings of 1985. Its a classic account of a whodunit ; either Jeremy Bamber or his mentally ill sister Sheila, of whom only one could have caused the deaths since Sheila was found dead herself.

The book leaves you in no doubt that Jeremy Bamber is guilty but still very much leads you to make your own judgement based on the evidence thoroughly presented.

Its very obvious based on the circumstantial evidence that Bamber is guilty. It would surely simply be too much for so many people to be biased or self interested, including the police, family of those murdered and primary witness Julie Mugford, who attested that Jeremy had admitted wanting to kill his family.

This is one of those very interesting cases whereby had the police done a better job, the rightful killer (Bamber or Sheila) would have been found from day 1. As it was with no DNA evidence in 1985, exhibits not found by the police (the rifle moderator) at the start and a bungled investigation, the truth may never be known with any certainty. One thing for sure is that Jeremy Bamber knows himself!

Understand that a new book is to come out soon by former MP Andrew Hunter (pro Bamber) called 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

[Adam]

I prefer to read all the pro & anti Jeremy information online as well as the best reviewed book.

Then make my own mind up. It is clear to me Jeremy is guilty.

Jeremy's story falls apart in the first minute. Neville phoning Jeremy at 3am ? Come on.

[Jan]

Adam - I can read amazon reviews on my own thank you.

Any comments on the fact that the EP destroyed evidence against the instructions of the court?

And that there are still documents and photos held under PII that have never been seen by a jury?