Beyond reasonable doubt.

[Adam]

The plain fact is this. Dr. Craig timed all the deaths at 8am (approx) Now bearing in mind that that certainly was not true, nevertheless as it is recorded as official, then Bamber could not possibly have been the murderer. Logic will tell you that if that were the time of deaths then Bamber was still with the police.
I personally believe that he timed the deaths at that time because it was near the death of Sheila the last victim and so because it was obvious that all the others had been long dead then all that mattered was the death of the last one, which was Sheila who probably died when the police were outside?

Jeremy said Sheila was alive and in the kitchen when the police broke in. She regained conciousness & went upstairs. Shooting herself again.

[grahameb]

Julie & a friend committed £800.00 worth of fraud. Which involved no breaking & entering, and no stage setting. They also paid all the money back quickly.

Thought Mike said Jeremy was under surveillance ? Didn't he get in trouble abroad & grow drugs.

A crime was committed even if the money was paid back. Police do not usually work like that. They will prosecute under normal circumstanced. But as I said, a deal was struck between her and the police. Her crime was wiped from the records so it made it appear that she had no criminal record. So if any employer searched for any there would be nothing to find.

[Jane]

We are all aware that there exists refuges for women who have been victims of male violence. Fewer of us know that there exists refuges for men who have suffered violence at the hand of females. Men are far less likely to come forward to ask for help, prevented by embarrassment, seeing it as a slur on their masculinity, an admission of weakness. No one meeting these men, either socially or in the work place would suspect. In public they appear to be a loving and together couple.

We know that Julie was possessed of a temper that on occasions got the better of her in public. From her WS we learn that she is a strong woman very much into the "ME" syndrome. Some women "get off" on danger. She showed herself capable of independent crimes when she committed fraud and sold drugs at college. We don't know for certain that Jeremy instigated the caravan park robbery and it occurs to me to wonder if he was dared to do it to prove himself to her. He would NEVER admit to being in thrall to her.

[susan]

Grahame am I right in thinking that Julie imported drugs for resale in this Country that is a serious offence no prosecution I wonder why.

[grahameb]

Jeremy said Sheila was alive and in the kitchen when the police broke in. She regained conciousness & went upstairs. Shooting herself again.

Adam it doesn't matter what Jeremy said or didn't say. The facts speak for themselves. If Dr. Craig pronounced the time of death as 8am then that is enough to free Jeremy. Because he was with the police at that time. So in fact the courts of law are holding him in prison when by their own records they admit that he could not possibly have committed the crime. They are in fact in breach of his human rights and are holding him prisoner unlawfully and should release him immediately. Why can't people see this?

[susan]

April  I do think that Julie was the leader of the two she was much more "street wise" than Jeremy Bamber and she probably dared him to rob the caravan park and he had to try and prove himself to her if he was to be accepted into the Bonnie & Clyde scenario.

[Adam]

Adam it doesn't matter what Jeremy said or didn't say. The facts speak for themselves. If Dr. Craig pronounced the time of death as 8am then that is enough to free Jeremy. Because he was with the police at that time. So in fact the courts of law are holding him in prison when by their own records they admit that he could not possibly have committed the crime. They are in fact in breach of his human rights and are holding him prisoner unlawfully and should release him immediately. Why can't people see this?

Time of death or deaths ? 8.00am was probably when Dr Graig arrived at WHF. The raid team had entered the house beforehand.

[Jan]

Jeremy said Sheila was alive and in the kitchen when the police broke in. She regained conciousness & went upstairs. Shooting herself again.

Adam you obviously don't believe that - its unbecoming of an experienced poster like you to have to resort to sarcasm to get at other posters.

[Adam]

Adam you obviously don't believe that - its unbecoming of an experienced poster like you to have to resort to sarcasm to get at other posters.

Just saying what Jeremy said. The raid team did not see Sheila walk upstairs. They were so embarrassed they refused to say this had happened. Resulting in Jeremy spending 29 years in prison.

[grahameb]

Grahame am I right in thinking that Julie imported drugs for resale in this Country that is a serious offence no prosecution I wonder why.

Exactly. The reason that she was not prosecuted was because she was the prosecution's prize witness. Nothing more. In actual fact the police were committing a crime in not prosecuting her.

[grahameb]

Time of death or deaths ? 8.00am was probably when Dr Graig arrived at WHF. The raid team had entered the house beforehand.

It doesn't matter what any of us think. The facts are that the time of deaths were recorded to be 8am. That time was accepted by the court. Therefore it should have been obvious to all present that if that was the time and according to Dr. Craig it was. Then Bamber was convicted illegally.

[maggie]

It doesn't matter what any of us think. The facts are that the time of deaths were recorded to be 8am. That time was accepted by the court. Therefore it should have been obvious to all present that if that was the time and according to Dr. Craig it was. Then Bamber was convicted illegally.

Exactly Grahame what a disgrace it all is but the likes of Adam don't worry about such boring descrepancies because they KNOW he did it.

[Jan]

Just saying what Jeremy said. The raid team did not see Sheila walk upstairs. They were so embarrassed they refused to say this had happened. Resulting in Jeremy spending 29 years in prison.

this does not even make sense - Embarrassed -what for? - telling relatives that SC was found on the bed?/sorry floor . Reporting two bodies in the kitchen? sorry one. burning all the evidence for a supposed murder ? ( even if it was murder suicide that should not have happened) . confusing evidence about the silencer - what happened to it before going to the lab and changing numbers ? Not finding the silencer even though the house had been searched? Carrying out a police exercise whilst the childrens bodies were still in the house?

Embarrased - no I don't think so - because in the beginning they were quite accepting of murder suicide and argued with the relatives when they kept pushing.Because none of the above would have been bought to the publics attention would it?

[susan]

Grahame it is unbelievable that they got away with it I find myself speechless at times at what actually happened if she knew as she said about Jeremy's intentions a year previous she should have been charged as an accessory then they would have had no witness for the prosecution.

[Adam]

Exactly Grahame what a disgrace it all is but the likes of Adam don't worry about such boring descrepancies because they KNOW he did it.

Perhaps they were all alive when Dr Craig arrived. The police shot them all at exactly 8.00am in front of Dr Craig.