Beyond reasonable doubt.

[Caroline]

Fair trial. It was 19 days. The police had to get the case through the DPP who would have asked questions.

Jeremy testified for 8 hours. The defence were highly paid & at the top of their field. The judge was a respected high court judge. Anything the request or prosecution request, must be supplied.

Oh the naivety!!

[Adam]

Your thinking is so simplistic it's unbelievable. You cannot be for real.

What difficult questions would they be asked ?

As far as I know they have not been called up to any appeal hearings by Jeremys team. Similar to Mugford, they must know it is a dead end. That does not stop Jeremys OS making continuous digs at them.

[Adam]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7884046/Jeremy-Bamber-claims-he-was-framed-for-murder-by-cousins.html

[Adam]

There was no suggestion in the 1986 trial of the relations trying to frame Jeremy. It was mainly focusing on Mugford. Jeremy claiming she was committing serious perjury because according to Jeremy, she was jilted.

[Caroline]

There was no suggestion in the 1986 trial of the relations trying to frame Jeremy. It was mainly focusing on Mugford. Jeremy claiming she was committing serious perjury because according to Jeremy, she was jilted.

Hmmmmm, so why was Ann Eaton concerned that the defense might think she has contaminated the silencer with blood from Sheila's underwear?

[Adam]

Julie apparently having the £800.00 cheque book fraud crime expunged by the police was negated by the fact that the jury were informed of this crime.

The caravan break in, a crime which Julie informed the police about, (without being asked to) the jury were also informed about.

A not guilty verdict would have resulted in public humiliation & a reputation ruined from being branded a petty criminal, liar & jealous lover.  Jeremy would have no doubt accused her of perjury in his 40k NOTW deal.

[Caroline]

Julie apparently having the £800.00 cheque book fraud crime expunged by the police was negated by the fact that the jury were informed of this crime.

The caravan break in, a crime which Julie informed the police about, (without being asked to) the jury were also informed about.

A not guilty verdict would have resulted in public humiliation & a reputation ruined from being branded a petty criminal, liar & jealous lover.  Jeremy would have no doubt accused her of perjury in his 40k NOTW deal.

There you go again - ignoring comments put to you and  flooding the board with uninformed 'opinion'

[grahameb]

hooray i just got my passport through this morning.but back to the case how of what you are all saying can be proven like time of death.of sheila being hours after the rest.im not saying there are not indescrepincies.i beleive he never got a fair trial.and with hinssight wich we never had then.he would be found innocent.but hes guilty.how do you get a retrial.

The plain fact is this. Dr. Craig timed all the deaths at 8am (approx) Now bearing in mind that that certainly was not true, nevertheless as it is recorded as official, then Bamber could not possibly have been the murderer. Logic will tell you that if that were the time of deaths then Bamber was still with the police.
I personally believe that he timed the deaths at that time because it was near the death of Sheila the last victim and so because it was obvious that all the others had been long dead then all that mattered was the death of the last one, which was Sheila who probably died when the police were outside?

[grahameb]

Julie apparently having the £800.00 cheque book fraud crime expunged by the police was negated by the fact that the jury were informed of this crime.

The caravan break in, a crime which Julie informed the police about, (without being asked to) the jury were also informed about.

A not guilty verdict would have resulted in public humiliation & a reputation ruined from being branded a petty criminal, liar & jealous lover.  Jeremy would have no doubt accused her of perjury in his 40k NOTW deal.

So there are two crimes committed by her. Aren't you the least bit curious that she was not charged for these serious crimes? Could it possibly have been a deal between her and the police that if she testified for the prosecution then no charges would be made against her?

Also I notice that Mugford committed these two serious crimes and you don't say much about her. But Bamber committed only one crime a burglary of the caravan park and you said on many occasions that this means that he was capable of murder.

[susan]

Hi Grahame  I agree Sheila died much later than the rest of the family probably around 8 a.m. so time of deaths was recorded as 8 a.m.  Do the Defence have this document if so why was it not presented in Court or at the later Appeals the fact that Jeremy was with the police outside the farmhouse when Sheila was still alive is proof beyond any doubt that he was not responsible.

[susan]

Grahame According to the anti's Julie's crimes are nothing and Jeremy's fault anyway he would have put her upto it and she was just the lookout at the caravan park as if that means she was not as bad as Jeremy and don't forget she was frightened of him and this is why she did not report his intentions to murder his family to the police or Ralph Bamber  ha ha  as if

[maggie]

So there are two crimes committed by her. Aren't you the least bit curious that she was not charged for these serious crimes? Could it possibly have been a deal between her and the police that if she testified for the prosecution then no charges would be made against her?
Also I notice that Mugford committed these two serious crimes and you don't say much about her. But Bamber committed only one crime a burglary of the caravan park and you said on many occasions that this means that he was capable of murder.

Totally agree with you Graham. Julie committed fraud, she was no angel in fact she was far more of a proven criminal than Jeremy.

[Adam]

So there are two crimes committed by her. Aren't you the least bit curious that she was not charged for these serious crimes? Could it possibly have been a deal between her and the police that if she testified for the prosecution then no charges would be made against her?

Also I notice that Mugford committed these two serious crimes and you don't say much about her. But Bamber committed only one crime a burglary of the caravan park and you said on many occasions that this means that he was capable of murder.

Julie was a lookout after Jeremy decided to rob his own family. Showing his utter contempt for them. Staging the scene to look like a break in. BW said Neville & June knew it was Jeremy but decided not to prosecute. Knowing Jeremy & his obsession with money,  it would not have been hard to work out it was him. So both Jeremy & Julie had got away with it. However Julie decided to tell the police, although she had no need to.

The caravan break in was mentioned in court. The judge said that Jeremy trusted Julie enough to involve her. So he may have trusted her enough to tell her about the murders. Jeremy certainly rang Julie three times on the murder night.

[Adam]

Totally agree with you Graham. Julie committed fraud, she was no angel in fact she was far more of a proven criminal than Jeremy.

Julie & a friend committed £800.00 worth of fraud. Which involved no breaking & entering, and no stage setting. They also paid all the money back quickly.

Thought Mike said Jeremy was under surveillance ? Didn't he get in trouble abroad & grow drugs.

[grahameb]

Julie was a lookout after Jeremy decided to rob his own family. Showing his utter contempt for them. Staging the scene to look like a break in. BW said Neville & June knew it was Jeremy but decided not to prosecute. Knowing Jeremy & his obsession with money,  it would not have been hard to work out it was him. So both Jeremy & Julie had got away with it. However Julie decided to tell the police, although she had no need to.

The caravan break in was mentioned in court. The judge said that Jeremy trusted Julie enough to involve her. So he may have trusted her enough to tell her about the murders. Jeremy certainly rang Julie three times on the murder night.

And the serious bank fraud? Why was she not prosecuted for that either?