PS Bews, falsified his pocketbook entries - gets himself in a muddle...

[Patti]

Yes I've asked countless times, but to no avail. 

Please don't get upset Hartley.    I did note that Bews times are 3:20 on both his report and pocketbook as the time he received info at Witham. 

[scipio_usmc]

Please don't get upset Hartley.    I did note that Bews times are 3:20 on both his report and pocketbook as the time he received info at Witham. 

I don't see is saying 3:20 as the time of the message about WHF.  3:40 is when he starts discussing such.

[Patti]

I don't see is saying 3:20 as the time of the message about WHF.  3:40 is when he starts discussing such.

It does say 3:20 Scipio at the top of his notes. What this means I am unsure, but as I see it its when they had the call. 

[scipio_usmc]

It does say 3:20 Scipio at the top of his notes. What this means I am unsure, but as I see it its when they had the call. 

I know it says 3:20 but all it says is "CW P.Stu."  It doesn't say anything about a call form Jeremy.  In contrast the 3:40 entry talks all about going out for a call becuase Jeremy had phoned to report a problem at WHF.

[No-Bits]

BUMP! #6 Hartley. 

These pocket book notes have now been added to the library.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.msg34476.html#msg34476

[Reader]

I know it says 3:20 but all it says is "CW P.Stu."

That could well be "CW P.Stn", meaning Witham Police station. It would make sense for his log to show that he got back to the police station at 3:20.

I doubt that the times of 3:40 and 3:45 (altered from 3:40) were what he wrote originally, as they don't fit with Bonnett's log.

[scipio_usmc]

That could well be "CW P.Stn", meaning Witham Police station. It would make sense for his log to show that he got back to the police station at 3:20.

I doubt that the times of 3:40 and 3:45 (altered from 3:40) were what he wrote originally, as they don't fit with Bonnett's log.

Indeed it does suggest Witham police station- nothing about Jeremy's call being received at that time.

In the meantime he wrote the notebook later base don memory so was estimating the times.  In contrast Bonnett insisted he was looking at the clock as he logged the times.  The few minute difference is no big deal anyway.

[Patti]

Indeed it does suggest Witham police station- nothing about Jeremy's call being received at that time.

In the meantime he wrote the notebook later base don memory so was estimating the times.  In contrast Bonnett insisted he was looking at the clock as he logged the times.  The few minute difference is no big deal anyway.

LOL...........it was a big deal in court..

[scipio_usmc]

LOL...........it was a big deal in court..

How was it a big deal?  They discussed it a little but such discussion resulted in West saying he made a mistake and it was left at that.  That seeme dot be what the defense wante din fact, to suggest Jeremy called sooner than West asserted because West's time made it look like Jeremy waited even longer to call police for no valid reaosn.

The only reason such discussion to us is noteworthy is because it shows they were aware of both logs and how the times differed and thus the claim they didn't know about both logs is false.

[Reader]

The few minute difference is no big deal anyway.

It happens to be 10 minutes if it's correct that Pc Saxby was contacted at 3:30am and the three officers notified their departure to Bonnett at 3:35am.

[scipio_usmc]

It happens to be 10 minutes if it's correct that Pc Saxby was contacted at 3:30am and the three officers notified their departure to Bonnett at 3:35am.

Those 10 minutes matter to the defense for 1 reason- because it would mean 10 additional minutes during which Jeremy neither called police nor made any other effort to go help his family which calls into doubt even more having received any plea for help.

The defense saw things as the prosecution trying to essentially pull a fast one by stretching out how long it took for Jeremy to finally call police by stressing the 3:36 times and the 2:26 time being in a document where the Jury might not even notice it.

So that is why the defense went to the effort it did to make sure they disputed the 3:36 time.

We find ourselves in the complete opposite position.  Those who feel Jeremy is guilty fully accept that Jeremy called West prior to 3:26 and that 3:26 is when West called Bonnett.  We have no problem accepting that defense claim because it is supported by evidence and logic.  You are the one trying to pretend Jeremy called at 3:36 so you can pretend the 2 logs refer to different calls.

That is the state of the situation at this moment.
 

[Mr. Gee]

I know it says 3:20 but all it says is "CW P.Stu."  It doesn't say anything about a call form Jeremy.  In contrast the 3:40 entry talks all about going out for a call becuase Jeremy had phoned to report a problem at WHF.

It still begs the question as to why he wrote 3.20 though if he was referring to nothing at all?

[scipio_usmc]

It still begs the question as to why he wrote 3.20 though if he was referring to nothing at all?

Entries my other officers at that time noted 3:20 as when they arrived at Witham Police Station so presumably that is also what he meant.  Only their entries are more clear.  Maybe C was written to mean @ aybe it is just an incomplete "at" sign.  The Witham station is easy enough to figure out it is the "C" that is a mystery. 

[tyler]

Does the 'C' not stand for Control?

[scipio_usmc]

Does the 'C' not stand for Control?

It could mean he went on duty at the Control room at 3:20.  Whether C means Control Room or just means @ Witham Police Station is something that only the author could answer. 

It doesn't seem to suggest receiving a phone call at 3:20 though.