72 page witness statement of Ann Eaton, made to COLP on 14 / 08/ 1991

[Adam]

I agree. After killing 5 people then meeting police he would have been so pumped up with adrenalin that he would be all over the place. I can never believe that a few puffs of cannabis could make any difference. Anyway the police would have noticed if he had been full of puff. They also would have detected it if he had been hyped up. It is a tremendous thing to kill one person, let alone five. It must have been someone completely out of their mind.

Well if you are cold & calculating it may not be too hard to remain calm in front of the police.

It may have been several hours since the massacre. Some adrenalin would have gone. Espescially after an energetic bike ride home.

[maggie]

Well if you are cold & calculating it may not be too hard to remain calm in front of the police.

It may have been several hours since the massacre. Some adrenalin would have gone. Espescially after an energetic bike ride home.

Adam, a person cold and calculating to that extreme  thwould have a personality disorder. Do you believe Jeremy had  a personality disorder?

[Droosie]

I think personality disorders are fairly difficult to diagnose. A psychiatrist friend told me that he sees people regularly with "Borderline Personality Disorders but that a major personality disorder diagnosis is always approached carefully as the implications for the patient might be severe.

I suspect from what I have read of Jeremy in his younger years that he may well have had a personality disorder of some kind. I also look at Sheila and her issues as well......neither of them had an easy start in life.

You can have a personality disorder but it doesn't make you a killer, generally though people with certain types of personality disorder will have problems empathizing with others. As a worker with parents who had personality disorder issues I found the ability to parent could be very affected in a negative way:(

Which in turn leads me to wonder about June and her mental health issues. This is not a criticism of June in any way, just an observation that she obviously found life challenging at times....as we all do. Did she have some kind of personality disorder Did this negatively affect both Sheila and Jeremy?

[Jan]

Julie would have been fuming at Jeremys betrayal after she had kept her mouth shut post massacre.

Do you think that is the reason she told the police about the caravan break in & massacre ?

Adam - make up your mind - one minute she did not say anything because she did not believe he had done it - now you are saying she knew, but kept her mouth shut. If that's the case then she lied in her first statements - you cant have it both ways. Anyway As far as I understand it was her  friend who told the police - it was not Julie who volunteered the final information - and then when she did it took many many meetings with police .

[Jan]

Well if you are cold & calculating it may not be too hard to remain calm in front of the police.

It may have been several hours since the massacre. Some adrenalin would have gone. Espescially after an energetic bike ride home.

very funny Adam

[Jan]

So a 20 year old student is trying to frame two people.

Clever girl. And brave.

or trying to save her own skin and then get rewarded. And apparently not brave in court -according to your friend the judge.

[susan]

jansus Julie only turned on the tears during the Defence questioning she managed to get herself under control for the prosecution

[maggie]

Hello Droosie, jeremy has undergone many personality tests while in prison about 27 so far and has been found to not suffer from any PDs or mental illness. Sheila was mentally ill which is  different thinv altogether but like the restvof the family we shall never know if personality disorders were an issue within the family.

[grahameb]

Well if you are cold & calculating it may not be too hard to remain calm in front of the police.

It may have been several hours since the massacre. Some adrenalin would have gone. Espescially after an energetic bike ride home.

I've know hardened soldiers shaking like a leaf. I'm afraid all the films and tv programs that portray violence do not tell the truth. In fact they've hardened us against reality so that we believe that anyone can be a cold calculating killer. It just isn't so in reality.

[susan]

Ha Ha jansus bet Jeremy was sweating somewhat on the bike in the wetsuit and marigold gloves and he would be half a stone lighter when he arrived home

[Jane]

I think personality disorders are fairly difficult to diagnose. A psychiatrist friend told me that he sees people regularly with "Borderline Personality Disorders but that a major personality disorder diagnosis is always approached carefully as the implications for the patient might be severe.

I suspect from what I have read of Jeremy in his younger years that he may well have had a personality disorder of some kind. I also look at Sheila and her issues as well......neither of them had an easy start in life.

You can have a personality disorder but it doesn't make you a killer, generally though people with certain types of personality disorder will have problems empathizing with others. As a worker with parents who had personality disorder issues I found the ability to parent could be very affected in a negative way:(

Which in turn leads me to wonder about June and her mental health issues. This is not a criticism of June in any way, just an observation that she obviously found life challenging at times....as we all do. Did she have some kind of personality disorder Did this negatively affect both Sheila and Jeremy?

Droosie, many of us have asked the question of June, how was it that having suffered psychological breakdown  -"as the result of her decision to adopt Sheila"- which required hospitalization and ECT, it was thought to be a good idea for her to adopt another child.

It is as you say, personality disorders are notoriously difficult to diagnose and impossible to treat. We probably ALL display SOME of the traits of many different types of personality disorders but manage to lead relatively "normal -what ever iit means to each of us!!!- lives.

[Adam]

Adam, a person cold and calculating to that extreme  thwould have a personality disorder. Do you believe Jeremy had  a personality disorder?

I have said before he killed out of greed, hatred, resentment, arrogance & confidence of success.

Those are enough incentives with or without personality disorders.

[Adam]

jansus Julie only turned on the tears during the Defence questioning she managed to get herself under control for the prosecution

Jeremy was also unconvincing in court.

Repeatedly being asked to speak up by the judge. A reporter on TV said he was very polite, a bit arrogant & seemed to be enjoying the attention. There was of course also the famous 'that is what you have to establish' line. The media reported that was the time a killer let his mask slip.

Tears or not, Julie kept to her WS despite strong cross examination from David Napley.

[Adam]

Adam - make up your mind - one minute she did not say anything because she did not believe he had done it - now you are saying she knew, but kept her mouth shut. If that's the case then she lied in her first statements - you cant have it both ways. Anyway As far as I understand it was her  friend who told the police - it was not Julie who volunteered the final information - and then when she did it took many many meetings with police .

The first few days she would not have wanted to believe it. Eventually realising & accepting Jeremys role in the massacre.

Yes, someone else went to the police without Julies knowledge. So Julie was not seeking revenge.

[maggie]

I have said before he killed out of greed, hatred, resentment, arrogance & confidence of success.

Those are enough incentives with or without personality disorders.

You cant just go a x kill peopld cos you wa t their money and then just coolly walk awayunless you have severe mental/personality issues ...... surely?