An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[maggie]

Adam was the one who told graham to stop being a baby .

And if he would start posting things as his opinion instead of fact then he might get some more polite answers.

His posts are pure postulation.

Totally agree with you jansus. 

Adam needs to debate properly instead of using the forum as a platform to post his opinions as fact.

Any chance you can do that Adam, Please.

[Adam]

The answer is WE DONT KNOW , we were not there and neither were you. It could be a possibility ? Have you taken time to read Mikes thread about the phone in the other office? And the fact that the police knew there was a call from that phone? Have you?

I have not.

Must admit I was surprised when Mike said the police fired the second shot into Sheila.

[Caroline]

What is you're view ?

I can see most of the back garden (Got the outside lights on) - lovely Christmas tree and almost up to the patio area. Why? 

[Adam]

There is a lot of dispute about whether the 'mysterious' phone call from Neville was made. 

There are at least 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not make the call.  Neville would just have to think of one reason/fact to not do so. No one seems sure what Sheila was supposed to be doing when Neville made the call. The most popular explanation being that Sheila had locked herself in the toilet. To be honest, Neville would not phone Jeremy in that situation. Jeremy told the police later that night Sheila was a 'nutter' and 'we don't get on at all, I'don't like her & she doesn't like me'.

Anyway, let's pretend the phone call happened.

Neville was going to leave a message on Jeremys answering machine. Which hopefully Jeremy would hear. However unlike today's 24/7 messaging services, answering machines were apparently switched off & on in the 80's. Although I never met anyone that did this. A shame as a saved message would have cleared Jeremy.

Not to worry, Neville will wait until Jeremy answers the phone. Neville could have a long wait for Jeremy to answer his downstairs phone. Jeremy said he was 'sleeping like a log' that night. Hopefully Sheila is not too crazy at this time.

Jeremy eventually answers the phone. 'Please come over, Sheila has gone crazy and she has got the gun'. The phone suddenly goes dead & Jeremy cannot get a connection when ringing back.

Jeremy rushes over. Er no he rings up Mugford (according to Jeremy). Why did he ring her ? asked the police at a later date. 'No comment' said Jeremy.  It's all so confusing.

Surely after his late night chat with Mugford he will speed over as Neville liked to keep things private. Er no, Jeremy checks Yello Pages & phones a police station miles away. Jeremy said 'it did not occur to him' to ring 999 ? All the while Sheila is going crazy & got has the gun.

Jeremy asks the police to pick him up, although he could drive there in 5 minutes.

Jeremy eventually drives over, very slowly,  arriving after the police.

None of it makes sense.

[Jan]

I can see most of the back garden (Got the outside lights on) - lovely Christmas tree and almost up to the patio area. Why? 

 

[Adam]

Please confirm what is not fact on the above.

[Jane]

Please confirm what is not fact on the above.

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam]

Apparently I am posting my opinions as facts.

I post opinions.

I post facts & discuss them. 

It is a discussion forum.

[Adam]

Jeremy phoning Chelmsford matches my 'opinion' that he wanted to delay entry into WHF for as long as possible.

[susan]

Maggie think Adam is thinking of becoming a Tory MP and using us as a platform to tell us his views and what is what

[Caroline]

Please confirm what is not fact on the above.

There is a lot of dispute about whether the 'mysterious' phone call from Neville was made. True

There are at least 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not make the call.Not true just a list of YOUR opinions
Neville would just have to think of one reason/fact to not do so. But they are YOU reasons why would Nevill think of one of YOUR reasons? And you have no idea what he would/wouldn't do

No one seems sure what Sheila was supposed to be doing when Neville made the call. The most popular explanation being that Sheila had locked herself in the toilet. To be honest, Neville would not phone Jeremy in that situation. You know nothing about what this man would or wouldn't do!!

Jeremy told the police later that night Sheila was a 'nutter' and 'we don't get on at all, I'don't like her & she doesn't like me'. So what?

Anyway, let's pretend the phone call happened.

Neville was going to leave a message on Jeremys answering machine. Which hopefully Jeremy would hear. However unlike today's 24/7 messaging services, answering machines were apparently switched off & on in the 80's. Although I never met anyone that did this. A shame as a saved message would have cleared Jeremy. Mine is switched off!!

Not to worry, Neville will wait until Jeremy answers the phone. Neville could have a long wait for Jeremy to answer his downstairs phone. Jeremy said he was 'sleeping like a log' that night. Hopefully Sheila is not too crazy at this time. And?

Jeremy eventually answers the phone. 'Please come over, Sheila has gone crazy and she has got the gun'. The phone suddenly goes dead & Jeremy cannot get a connection when ringing back. And?

Jeremy rushes over. Er no he rings up Mugford (according to Jeremy). Why did he ring her ? asked the police at a later date. 'No comment' said Jeremy.  It's all so confusing. He did answer this, go back and read the statement

Surely after his late night chat with Mugford he will speed over as Neville liked to keep things private. Er no, Jeremy checks Yello Pages & phones a police station miles away. Jeremy said 'it did not occur to him' to ring 999 ? All the while Sheila is going crazy & got has the gun. You're just repeating stuff oever and over again, we know what happened

Jeremy asks the police to pick him up, although he could drive there in 5 minutes. So what?

Jeremy eventually drives over, very slowly,  arriving after the police. Again, so what?

None of it makes sense. To you with the benefit of hindsight!

[Jan]

There is a lot of dispute about whether the 'mysterious' phone call from Neville was made. 

There are at least 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not make the call. NOT FACT YOUR OPINION Neville would just have to think of one reason/fact to not do so.NOT FACT SUPPOSISTION No one seems sure what Sheila was supposed to be doing when Neville made the call. TRUE _ WE DONT KNOW THE FACTSThe most popular explanation being that Sheila had locked herself in the toilet SOME PEOPLES OPINION NOT FACT . To be honest, Neville would not phone Jeremy in that situation SUPPOSISTION YOU DONT KNOW HOW MUCH TIME HE HAD TO THINK ABOUT ANYTHING IN THAT SITUATION . Jeremy told the police later that night Sheila was a 'nutter' and 'we don't get on at all, I'don't like her & she doesn't like me'. IF THAT CAME FROM A STATEMENT FROM SOMEONE ELSE YOU DO NOT KNOW IT IS FACT - STILL HEARSAY. AND IF HE DID NOT LIKE HER DID NOT MAKE HIM A MURDERER

Anyway, let's pretend the phone call happened.

Neville was going to leave a message on Jeremys answering machine NOT FACT YOUR ASSUMPTION. Which hopefully Jeremy would hear. However unlike today's 24/7 messaging services, answering machines were apparently switched off & on in the 80's.NOT FACT YOU JUST PICKED AN ANSWER YOU LIKED  Although I never met anyone that did this. A shame as a saved message would have cleared Jeremy. TRUE!!!!! AND THERE MAY BE EVIDENCE HELD UNDER PII

Not to worry, Neville will wait until Jeremy answers the phone. Neville could have a long wait for Jeremy to answer his downstairs phone ABSOLUTELY YOUR ASSUMPTION AND BELIEF NOT FACT. Jeremy said he was 'sleeping like a log' that night. Hopefully Sheila is not too crazy at this time. TRUE _ YOU DONT KNOW

Jeremy eventually answers the phone. 'Please come over, Sheila has gone crazy and she has got the gun'. The phone suddenly goes dead & Jeremy cannot get a connection when ringing back. TRUE ACCORDING TO JB STATEMENT

Jeremy rushes over. Er no he rings up Mugford (according to Jeremy). Why did he ring her ? asked the police at a later date. 'No comment' said Jeremy.  It's all so confusing. NOT FACT _ JB ONLY SAID HE WAS NOT SURE ABOUT TIMINGS WHEN EP SAID THEY HAD PROOF THE CALL TIMES WERE F+DIFFERENT A MONTH LATER _JB BELIEVED THEM BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THEY HAD RECORD OF CALLS AND ASKED THEM TO CHECK

Surely after his late night chat with Mugford he will speed over as Neville liked to keep things private. Er no, Jeremy checks Yello Pages & phones a police station miles away. Jeremy said 'it did not occur to him' to ring 999 ? All the while Sheila is going crazy & got has the gun. TRUE _ BUT YOU SAID IN YOUR SCENARO SC COULD BE CONFUSED AND NOT THINKING STRAIGHT WHEN WOKEN AND WOULD NOT THINK TO DEFEND HER CHILDREN _ SO WHY CANT YOU APPLY THAT LOGIC TO JB?

Jeremy asks the police to pick him up, although he could drive there in 5 minutes. TO COIN YOUR PHRASE _ SO WHAT

Jeremy eventually drives over, very slowly,  arriving after the police. THEY ASKED HIM NOT TO GET TO THE HOUSE BEFORE THEM AND TO WAIT - PLEASE DO NOT BRING THIS UP AGAIN

None of it makes sense. NOT IN YOUR MIND - FACT

[Jane]

Jeremy phoning Chelmsford matches my 'opinion' that he wanted to delay entry into WHF for as long as possible.

Which is JUST your opinion. Others may see it differently but are under no obligation to debate/discuss/share/explain them to you.

[gringo]

My scenario (which matches the body location & bullet allocation) would have only taken Jeremy 10 minutes inside WHF.

He did the crime  at the latest 2.30pm as he rang Mugford around 3pm.

Even Steve uk agrees that the bullet allocation is false and fabricated by the police . He came to this conclusion after reading Hunter on the ballistics evidence . There is little doubt that the ballistics and therefore the bullet allocation is fabricated. Read up on the ballistics and learn something based on facts rather than your fantasy scenarios which are based on nothing but conjecture.

[Jan]

Caroline - great minds think alike  we may have been typing in synchronisation . I think I was a bit slower as sipping my sherry