An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[Adam]

Because there would be no point because we have no idea what she was doing BUT she certainly WOULD NOT walk meekly to her death, laying down without a fight while Jeremy shot her. That is just ludicrous!!

If you think Jeremy is innocent people need to say why. That sometimes involves giving opinions.

Sheila -

Either woken up by Jeremy & told Neville needs to see her. Attacked upon entry of the main bedroom.

Cowering in the bedroom after hearing the downstairs fight, seeing June  & then seeing a returning Jeremy with a rifle. A brief struggle before Jeremy fired two shots. The second shot being fired after Sheila continued to move after the first shot.

[Jan]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2154.15.html

its not new. And you can say its probably not true - but I could say that about 75% of what you post on here as well . which is mostly assumptions and conjecture and a character assassination , that even IF it was true would not make him a murderer.

[Jan]

It seems to be established that if guilty,  Jeremy phoning the police is the correct & most sensible action. This is exactly what he did.

That was hard work.

The jury & appeal courts would have come to the same conclusion.

that statement just shows exactly what I mean - you put an opinion - we reply and disagree - you go back to exactly what you said before - that is not discussion or debate.  If he was guilty he would not have phoned the police .Because he would have had NO idea of how they would react.

[Adam]

Unless it was 24/7 surveillence it does not make any difference.

Jeremy either did not know about it, so had the opportunity. Or he knew when he was or was not being surveyed. Therefore again had the opportunity.

Anyway, I do not believe he was under survillence. But documentation would change my mind.

[Adam]

that statement just shows exactly what I mean - you put an opinion - we reply and disagree - you go back to exactly what you said before - that is not discussion or debate.  If he was guilty he would not have phoned the police .Because he would have had NO idea of how they would react.

There was not much debate.

Most people focused on me because I am not a Jeremy supporter & have strong arguments.

The police would react to what he said & how he said it. They did not know Jeremy & would have believed him.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2154.15.html

its not new. And you can say its probably not true - but I could say that about 75% of what you post on here as well . which is mostly assumptions and conjecture and a character assassination , that even IF it was true would not make him a murderer.

If it was 24/7 surveillence, did the police not think it was strange Jeremy entering WHF through a window ?

[Adam]

The forum is full of reasons why we think Jeremy is innocent but the above is silly - she had her children staying at the house. She certainly would be cowering if she thought they were in danger!!

I originally said Sheila was woken & lead to the bedroom. With her bedroom door shut & sleeping, she would not hear the gun with silencer on. The brief but brutal fight downstairs may not be heard either. A half asleep Sheila would not put up much resistence.

However a scared Sheila, not sure what was happening. Maybe not even recognising Jeremy in the dark, may not put up much resistence either.

[Jan]

I originally said Sheila was woken & lead to the bedroom. With her bedroom door shut & sleeping, she would not hear the gun with silencer on. The brief but brutal fight downstairs may not be heard either. A half asleep Sheila would not put up much resistence.

However a scared Sheila, not sure what was happening. Maybe not even recognising Jeremy in the dark, may not put up much resistence either.

So you are allowed to state that , but if we said JB was half asleep and confused when he took the call from his father in the middle of the night and not thinking straight - then that does not fit your scenario ?so you don't accept it . Comprende!?  now do  you see why we get angry with you???.

[Neil]

It's pointless trying to reason with the unreasonable Jansus 

I don't think that Jansus is unreasonable.

[Adam]

Rubbish!!

One word answers never win the debate.

[Adam]

There is a lot of dispute about whether the 'mysterious' phone call from Neville was made. 

There are at least 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not make the call.  Neville would just have to think of one reason/fact to not do so. No one seems sure what Sheila was supposed to be doing when Neville made the call. The most popular explanation being that Sheila had locked herself in the toilet. To be honest, Neville would not phone Jeremy in that situation. Jeremy told the police later that night Sheila was a 'nutter' and 'we don't get on at all, I'don't like her & she doesn't like me'.

Anyway, let's pretend the phone call happened.

Neville was going to leave a message on Jeremys answering machine. Which hopefully Jeremy would hear. However unlike today's 24/7 messaging services, answering machines were apparently switched off & on in the 80's. Although I never met anyone that did this. A shame as a saved message would have cleared Jeremy.

Not to worry, Neville will wait until Jeremy answers the phone. Neville could have a long wait for Jeremy to answer his downstairs phone. Jeremy said he was 'sleeping like a log' that night. Hopefully Sheila is not too crazy at this time.

Jeremy eventually answers the phone. 'Please come over, Sheila has gone crazy and she has got the gun'. The phone suddenly goes dead & Jeremy cannot get a connection when ringing back.

Jeremy rushes over. Er no he rings up Mugford (according to Jeremy). Why did he ring her ? asked the police at a later date. 'No comment' said Jeremy.  It's all so confusing.

Surely after his late night chat with Mugford he will speed over as Neville liked to keep things private. Er no, Jeremy checks Yello Pages & phones a police station miles away. Jeremy said 'it did not occur to him' to ring 999 ? All the while Sheila is going crazy & got has the gun.

Jeremy asks the police to pick him up, although he could drive there in 5 minutes.

Jeremy eventually drives over, very slowly,  arriving after the police.

None of it makes sense.

[Bubbles35]

Adam you seem to have become Sherlock Holmes on this case. And I must say everything you say is negative without facts to support it. I suggest you take off your judges hat and stick with the facts. 2014 may be the year the truth comes out for Jeremy. What will you do then Sherlock?

[susan]

Morning Bubbles35

Very well said Adam does indeed become Judge and Jury.  I too have a feeling 2014 is going to be Jeremy's year fingers and toes crossed for him..

[guest154]

Morning Bubbles35

Very well said Adam does indeed become Judge and Jury.  I too have a feeling 2014 is going to be Jeremy's year fingers and toes crossed for him..

If I didn't like you so, much Susan...... I'd ask you to put money on it!  :D

[susan]

Morning Mat if I did'ent like you so much I would put money on it