An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[Adam]

Adam - you do not get the meaning of discussion or debate - you just make statements - posters give you their opinion - you either ignore it ( if you don't know the answer) or return with another statement or opinion that you can not possibly know if is true or not. I sincerely hope you are not a law student or we are all doomed.

You have with all your posts achieved one thing - I am even more convinced that JB is innocent because if all your posts that you have made , based on hearsay and some imaginary world inside your own head are the best you can come up with then I am happy to side on the "innocent" side .

Why do you think Jeremy did not dial 999 ?

[susan]

Patti/Alias I do like you both

[Patti]

Patti/Alias I do like you both

I like you too Susan in fact I like you all....

[Adam]

Jeremy leaving the bodies to be found would still be a suspect. Especially with Neville having put up a fight.

Sheila would have been the main suspect. But the relatives would still not believe it & there was only one other person who had a motive to kill those five people. Other people have agreed today no one would believe a random stranger massacre or that the person who found the bodies (Barbara Wilson ?) committed the crime. Although Jeremy if under pressure may suggest the random stranger scenario.

Jeremy may have been interviewed straight away by the police & been a suspect much sooner. Especially if he showed indifference to the deaths. He would have no alibi.



So it makes sense for Jeremy to phone the police & lead them in a direction on the back of Nevilles call. Giving himself an alibi at the same time which cannot be disproven. The police did not know Jeremy and  would surely never believe Jeremy would committ such a horrific crime.

It also makes sense to phone Chelmsford police station, which was seven miles further away from WHF than Witham. Jeremy said he did not phone 999 because it 'did not occur to him' although dialling 999 is quicker than looking for a phone number & will result in a quicker response time.

The longer the delay between his 3.26am phone call & the discovery of the bodies, the more it gets into everyones mind sets that there really is a crazy woman with a gun still alive inside. Jeremy could spend several hours continuing to enlighten everyone about his 'nutter' sister & Nevilles phone call /alibi.

The Raid Team would automatically be called in a seige situation. Delaying things by several more hours. Jeremys Neville phone alibi is becoming more plausible by the minute. He 'should have been an actor'.

Having the police pick Jeremy up would have been even better still. It would have shown him as having just got dressed & rushing into their car. Giving the impression he had been at home all night & woken up by Nevilles call.  It is also another alibi, showing Jeremy did not phone from WHF. However the police refused Jeremys request & told him to make his own way. Jeremy did the next best thing & arrived after the police. Driving very slowly.

So the phone call to the police meant Jeremy could work with & assist the police. Use his charm to become their buddies. Give them his version of events & look upset when the bodies are discovered. By 9am that morning & for the next few weeks, Neville's alibi had worked.

Jeremys supporters say 'why phone the police if you are not innocent'? Another equally good question is 'why not phone the police if guilty ' ?

[Adam]

This is my opinion based on the facts of the case.

But people can have different opinions & discuss with me.

People have said Jeremy would only phone the police if Neville 'had' rang him & a guilty Jeremy would not phone the police. I  disagree.

[Jane]

There is a certain poster here that keeps demanding answers. My suggestion is, don´t answer, because that poster does not care and does not remember your answers anyway, so it is a waste of time.
I have already answered all the the four points he mentions above, I don´t care to do it again, but I claim that my reasons for Jeremy´s actions are very plausible and logical.

If that's the poster who has nothing to say of any value, I agree entirely.

[Adam]

If that's the poster who has nothing to say of any value, I agree entirely.

You know I say a lot of valuble things. Usually highlighting Jeremys guilt. Interview transcripts, 19 reasons, answering machine, family hatred , this thread etc etc.

You do not like it so you focus on me.

[HMEssex]

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[Adam]

It seems to be established that if guilty,  Jeremy phoning the police is the correct & most sensible action. This is exactly what he did.

That was hard work.

The jury & appeal courts would have come to the same conclusion.

[Alias]

I do like you Alias 

LIKEWISE!!!

Just getting fed up. Initially I welcomed the new input from that poster, I like to see things from different angles and hear what guilters have to say, I know you do/did too, but it just got annoying, the tone insulting, the repetitions drive you nuts. Poster is also the pointing to own threads for reference and "proof" - threads that mostly consist of fluffy "scenarios" and plain guessing.
Bragging about how many posts are in the poster´s threads, I find absolutely revolting!!!  

[Jan]

My scenario (which matches the body location & bullet allocation) would have only taken Jeremy 10 minutes inside WHF.

He did the crime  at the latest 2.30pm as he rang Mugford around 3pm.

my my what a risk taker , especially as he was under surveillance by the police at the time. And again such planning - but what a mistake to tell JM.

[Jan]

in my opinion that's rubbish. If he had not made the call then the bodies would not have been found until later and then the time of death would have been hard to establish ( not that they got it right anyway)  Also in your scenario the house when they got there would have been absolutely quiet and no movement - so there was NO way he would not assume that the police would not already arranged back up because of the information he gave them and go straight in to try and save the children -after all they would have had NO way of knowing they were already dead.Just you trying to get everything to fit your evaluation AGAIN.

And that's my opinion - so put that in your pipe and smoke it. Its only opinion - same as your scenario - so you have achieved nothing.

[Adam]

Your 19 point were just things you cobbled together. Some were fact about the case, some hearsay and others were your opinion but none of them were highlighted Jeremy's guilt - just things that the guilty side use in there arguments. NOTHING NEW!!!!!

They were 19 reasons. Based on facts.

You made defences for all of them. That is fair enough as you support Jeremy.

Neville would just need to think of one or two of those reasons & would not phone.

Anyway Jeremys supporters cannot even guess what Sheila was supposed to be doing when Neville phoned. Apart from locking herself in the loo.

[Adam]

my my what a risk taker , especially as he was under surveillance by the police at the time. And again such planning - but what a mistake to tell JM.

Oh yes, under surveillence. That was a new recent one.

Were there two policemen sitting outside his cottage that night ? In case a helicopter was landing & dropping off 2 million pounds worth of heroin.

[Adam]

my my what a risk taker , especially as he was under surveillance by the police at the time. And again such planning - but what a mistake to tell JM.

It was a mistake telling Mugford. And phoning her before he phoned EP.

Jeremy thought saying Matthew Mcdonald did the dirty work would keep Julie under his spell.