An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[Jan]

It's not credible for so many officers of such differing levels of experience, grades and roles to be incredibly stupid concurrently.

The reason why police went with Sheila is because they knew what had happened in the farmhouse.  That being so, the evidence of what had happened caused a reviewing officer to reach the same conclusion approx one month later.

The reason why Mugford gave evidence against Bamber was because she found her self in the position of being a pawn, with only one way to move out of the danger threatening to engulf her. 

The reason why some senior EP officers turned on Bamber is because they were corrupt, within the reach and influence of Robert Boutflour and under pressure of having to face something become exposed, namely the events surrounding the TFG operation and it's aftermath.

The reason why the relatives went for Jeremy Bamber is because they knew nothing of note regarding Sheila's condition, her episodes or her psychology.  And because they regarded him as a threat to their own livelihoods.  He became in effect, not 'one of them' (at least if he ever had been, he certainly wasn't after 7th Aug).   

The reason why Jeremy Bamber became the scapegoat was because the only people able or willing to protect him from such malicious actions against his person were  both killed by his sister on 7th Aug.  He had no protection from Robert Boutflour.  It has to be said also, that arguably, he lent him self to being framed by having committed petty crime and in the eyes of some, displaying arrogance and a lack of grief.

An excellent summary - one that Adam would do well to read and start thinking about .

[Adam]

Hi Adam

We could spend the next 20 years discussing scenarios, but they are meaningless without proper forensic and factual evidence.  You might wish to answer these couple of questions.

1, Were there any witnesses?

2, Did the SOCO's find any fibres or any fingerprints belonging to Jeremy in any of the upstairs rooms?

3, Did the police prove beyond a doubt that Jeremy got into WHF vis a bathroom window and exit through a kitchen window?

4 Was it really proven beyond a doubt the sequence of calls made that night?

5, Was there any proof that the bicycle was used?

6, Was it proven that Jeremy wore a wetsuit? 

7, The pathologist found that Sheila had undigested food in her stomach which meant she had eaten 2 to 3 hours prior to her death. Is this fact?

 :D :D :D :D

Fibres, fingerprints. They both lived there.

[Adam]

Hi Adam

We could spend the next 20 years discussing scenarios, but they are meaningless without proper forensic and factual evidence.  You might wish to answer these couple of questions.

1, Were there any witnesses?

2, Did the SOCO's find any fibres or any fingerprints belonging to Jeremy in any of the upstairs rooms?

3, Did the police prove beyond a doubt that Jeremy got into WHF vis a bathroom window and exit through a kitchen window?

4 Was it really proven beyond a doubt the sequence of calls made that night?

5, Was there any proof that the bicycle was used?

6, Was it proven that Jeremy wore a wetsuit? 

7, The pathologist found that Sheila had undigested food in her stomach which meant she had eaten 2 to 3 hours prior to her death. Is this fact?

 :D :D :D :D

Jeremy when interviewed said he knew how to get into WHF.

[maggie]

It's not credible for so many officers of such differing levels of experience, grades and roles to be incredibly stupid concurrently.

The reason why police went with Sheila is because they knew what had happened in the farmhouse.  That being so, the evidence of what had happened caused a reviewing officer to reach the same conclusion approx one month later.

The reason why Mugford gave evidence against Bamber was because she found her self in the position of being a pawn, with only one way to move out of the danger threatening to engulf her. 

The reason why some senior EP officers turned on Bamber is because they were corrupt, within the reach and influence of Robert Boutflour and under pressure of having to face something become exposed, namely the events surrounding the TFG operation and it's aftermath.

The reason why the relatives went for Jeremy Bamber is because they knew nothing of note regarding Sheila's condition, her episodes or her psychology.  And because they regarded him as a threat to their own livelihoods.  He became in effect, not 'one of them' (at least if he ever had been, he certainly wasn't after 7th Aug).   

The reason why Jeremy Bamber became the scapegoat was because the only people able or willing to protect him from such malicious actions against his person were  both killed by his sister on 7th Aug.  He had no protection from Robert Boutflour.  It has to be said also, that arguably, he lent him self to being framed by having committed petty crime and in the eyes of some, displaying arrogance and a lack of grief.

Can't argue with that Roch except did he display a lack of grief any more than many people would?  There is no model for grief we all behave differently and sometimes the greater the trauma the stranger the reaction imo.

[Adam]

Hi Adam

We could spend the next 20 years discussing scenarios, but they are meaningless without proper forensic and factual evidence.  You might wish to answer these couple of questions.

1, Were there any witnesses?

2, Did the SOCO's find any fibres or any fingerprints belonging to Jeremy in any of the upstairs rooms?

3, Did the police prove beyond a doubt that Jeremy got into WHF vis a bathroom window and exit through a kitchen window?

4 Was it really proven beyond a doubt the sequence of calls made that night?

5, Was there any proof that the bicycle was used?

6, Was it proven that Jeremy wore a wetsuit? 

7, The pathologist found that Sheila had undigested food in her stomach which meant she had eaten 2 to 3 hours prior to her death. Is this fact?

 :D :D :D :D

Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police station. Rather than dialling Witham or 999 ?

[Adam]

Hi Adam

We could spend the next 20 years discussing scenarios, but they are meaningless without proper forensic and factual evidence.  You might wish to answer these couple of questions.

1, Were there any witnesses?

2, Did the SOCO's find any fibres or any fingerprints belonging to Jeremy in any of the upstairs rooms?

3, Did the police prove beyond a doubt that Jeremy got into WHF vis a bathroom window and exit through a kitchen window?

4 Was it really proven beyond a doubt the sequence of calls made that night?

5, Was there any proof that the bicycle was used?

6, Was it proven that Jeremy wore a wetsuit? 

7, The pathologist found that Sheila had undigested food in her stomach which meant she had eaten 2 to 3 hours prior to her death. Is this fact?

 :D :D :D :D

Bike was brought to the cottage just before the murders. Jeremy said his relationship with Julie was coming to a close.

[Adam]

Hi Adam

We could spend the next 20 years discussing scenarios, but they are meaningless without proper forensic and factual evidence.  You might wish to answer these couple of questions.

1, Were there any witnesses?

2, Did the SOCO's find any fibres or any fingerprints belonging to Jeremy in any of the upstairs rooms?

3, Did the police prove beyond a doubt that Jeremy got into WHF vis a bathroom window and exit through a kitchen window?

4 Was it really proven beyond a doubt the sequence of calls made that night?

5, Was there any proof that the bicycle was used?

6, Was it proven that Jeremy wore a wetsuit? 

7, The pathologist found that Sheila had undigested food in her stomach which meant she had eaten 2 to 3 hours prior to her death. Is this fact?

 :D :D :D :D

Wetsuit or not. The crime is still doable.

[Roch]

It's not credible for so many officers of such differing levels of experience, grades and roles to be incredibly stupid concurrently.

The reason why police went with Sheila is because they knew what had happened in the farmhouse.  That being so, the evidence of what had happened caused a reviewing officer to reach the same conclusion approx one month later.

The reason why Mugford gave evidence against Bamber was because she found her self in the position of being a pawn, with only one way to move out of the danger threatening to engulf her. 

The reason why some senior EP officers turned on Bamber is because they were corrupt, within the reach and influence of Robert Boutflour and under pressure of having to face something become exposed, namely the events surrounding the TFG operation and it's aftermath.

The reason why the relatives went for Jeremy Bamber is because they knew nothing of note regarding Sheila's condition, her episodes or her psychology.  And because they regarded him as a threat to their own livelihoods.  He became in effect, not 'one of them' (at least if he ever had been, he certainly wasn't after 7th Aug).   

The reason why Jeremy Bamber became the scapegoat was because the only people able or willing to protect him from such malicious actions against his person were  both killed by his sister on 7th Aug.  He had no protection from Robert Boutflour.  It has to be said also, that arguably, he lent him self to being framed by having committed petty crime and in the eyes of some, displaying arrogance and a lack of grief.

What springs to mind here is that the reviewing officer was in all likelihood, not prepared to become corrupted, as was being expected of him.  He failed to come up with the goods that had been requested by ACC Simpson, Robert Boutflour and their lackeys (for example Mick Ainsley, the ubiquitous Stan Jones and Bob Miller).

Two sets of EP officers.  One set outside the reach of Robert Boutflour.  One set within the reach of Robert Boutflour.

[Jane]

It's not credible for so many officers of such differing levels of experience, grades and roles to be incredibly stupid concurrently.

The reason why police went with Sheila is because they knew what had happened in the farmhouse.  That being so, the evidence of what had happened caused a reviewing officer to reach the same conclusion approx one month later.

The reason why Mugford gave evidence against Bamber was because she found her self in the position of being a pawn, with only one way to move out of the danger threatening to engulf her. 

The reason why some senior EP officers turned on Bamber is because they were corrupt, within the reach and influence of Robert Boutflour and under pressure of having to face something become exposed, namely the events surrounding the TFG operation and it's aftermath.

The reason why the relatives went for Jeremy Bamber is because they knew nothing of note regarding Sheila's condition, her episodes or her psychology.  And because they regarded him as a threat to their own livelihoods.  He became in effect, not 'one of them' (at least if he ever had been, he certainly wasn't after 7th Aug).   

The reason why Jeremy Bamber became the scapegoat was because the only people able or willing to protect him from such malicious actions against his person were  both killed by his sister on 7th Aug.  He had no protection from Robert Boutflour.  It has to be said also, that arguably, he lent him self to being framed by having committed petty crime and in the eyes of some, displaying arrogance and a lack of grief.

BRILLIANT post, Roch

[Adam]

Hi Adam

We could spend the next 20 years discussing scenarios, but they are meaningless without proper forensic and factual evidence.  You might wish to answer these couple of questions.

1, Were there any witnesses?

2, Did the SOCO's find any fibres or any fingerprints belonging to Jeremy in any of the upstairs rooms?

3, Did the police prove beyond a doubt that Jeremy got into WHF vis a bathroom window and exit through a kitchen window?

4 Was it really proven beyond a doubt the sequence of calls made that night?

5, Was there any proof that the bicycle was used?

6, Was it proven that Jeremy wore a wetsuit? 

7, The pathologist found that Sheila had undigested food in her stomach which meant she had eaten 2 to 3 hours prior to her death. Is this fact?

 :D :D :D :D

Sheila ate after the murders ? Why didn't the defence bring this up ?

[Patti]

Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police station. Rather than dialling Witham or 999 ?

Incorrect he phoned Whitam police station first.

[Jane]

Fibres, fingerprints. They both lived there.

NO THEY DIDN'T!!!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!

[Adam]

Grahame. You asked for documentation recently to back up what I had said. I gave it to you.

I then asked you for some documentation. You said no. Probably because you did not have it.



You then sulked & said you were not responding to my posts because I would not change my mind on Jeremy.

You have now resurfaced on my thread. Rather than discussing my points raised, you have called me a troll. Perhaps because my points are good.

Please make up you're mind & stop being such a baby.

[Jane]

Jeremy when interviewed said he knew how to get into WHF.

Your  quote "SO WHAT"

[Adam]

Hopefully Grahame will either discuss my posts & threads. Or ignore me.

Making personal attacks means he knows he is losing the debate. It is also immature.