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Offline Jane

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #120 on: December 28, 2013, 03:21:PM »
I would have thought a mumbled 'yes'or 'no' in between shock & tears would have been more appropriate. Jeremy knew exactly why he did not want Crispy & exactly what could be done with him.

You have asked me this several times & I have answered.




Frankly Adam, I'm not certain how much joy I would have felt in learning that my whole family was dead and their dog which I'd never liked was being dumped on me.........................however, I find it very strange that Sheila's age was quoted differently on two separate logs. I wonder what answer you can provide for this.

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« Reply #121 on: December 28, 2013, 03:22:PM »
Maybe Neville phoned the police ! And EP are lying when they say they never received a call from Neville.

What is you're explanation ?
But if Nevill called the police then Jeremy is innocent . Have you changed sides ?

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« Reply #122 on: December 28, 2013, 03:25:PM »
You are still writing a script for Jeremy and he just refuses to stick to it which is your proof he's guilty.  You seem to have no idea at all about the different ways traumatised people respond to the sudden violent death of one person never mind all 5 members of your only family.

To be fair Jeremy was upset for a few minutes.

Then he drove back to his cottage,  cooked himself a nice brekkie before saying to Jones & Clark, 'Lets get on with it. I am ready to start when you are'.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #123 on: December 28, 2013, 03:27:PM »
Maybe Neville phoned the police ! And EP are lying when they say they never received a call from Neville.

What is you're explanation ?
That is hardly an answer.  I was asking about the discrepancies in the two ages quoted for Sheila in two logs one of which was supposed to have been copied word for word.
You know what I think, I believe that one of the logs was a report of when Neville phone the police and one was from when Jeremy phoned the police.  Surprisingly Jeremy got Sheila's age correct and unsurprisingly Neville didn't.  It's not unusual for Dads to forget the age of their children and he was in a hurry.  Why don't you watch the video and read about the logs on the Official website.  Then you can maybe form an opinion.  I have given you the link earlier. ;D

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #124 on: December 28, 2013, 03:30:PM »
To be fair Jeremy was upset for a few minutes.

Then he drove back to his cottage,  cooked himself a nice brekkie before saying to Jones & Clark, 'Lets get on with it. I am ready to start when you are'.



Explain "nice brekkie"

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #125 on: December 28, 2013, 03:33:PM »
Maybe Neville phoned the police ! And EP are lying when they say they never received a call from Neville.

What is you're explanation ?
So you're explanation of why the logs differ is that maybe Nevill called EP.
   The rest of the log goes on to state that his daughter has the gun but this doesn't alter your belief that Jeremy is guilty ?
   What you have just offered is not an explanation unless you believe JB innocent .
   Can you give an explanation of the age discrepancy on the logs which doesn't contradict what you are otherwise claiming?

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #126 on: December 28, 2013, 03:39:PM »
That is hardly an answer.  I was asking about the discrepancies in the two ages quoted for Sheila in two logs one of which was supposed to have been copied word for word.
You know what I think, I believe that one of the logs was a report of when Neville phone the police and one was from when Jeremy phoned the police.  Surprisingly Jeremy got Sheila's age correct and unsurprisingly Neville didn't.  It's not unusual for Dads to forget the age of their children and he was in a hurry.  Why don't you watch the video and read about the logs on the Official website.  Then you can maybe form an opinion.  I have given you the link earlier. ;D

I have seen the video.

Discrepancies in logs 28 years old. ... :-\

When the relatives approached the police, why didn't the police tell them Neville had phoned them ? The police believed Jeremy at first.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #127 on: December 28, 2013, 03:41:PM »
I have seen the video.

Discrepancies in logs 28 years old. ... :-\

When the relatives approached the police, why didn't the police tell them Neville had phoned them ? The police believed Jeremy at first.
The discrepancies are between Nevill saying Sheila was 26 and Jeremy saying she was 27, or her age was changed by someone from 27 to 26 on one of the copies ......... why? ....... why?

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« Reply #128 on: December 28, 2013, 03:45:PM »
The phone call from Neville rounds the potential suspects down to two.

However if Jeremy had not phoned the police, there would only be three realistic suspects. Sheila & Jeremy being the main ones.

Jeremy would be a suspect for the reasons just mentioned.

No one would think it was some random stranger. Why would a random stranger break in, massacre everyone and not take anything ?  Then leave by shutting the kitchen window behind him. Why would a stranger leave the gun by Sheila ?

The third  suspect would be the person who found the bodies. Barbara Wilson perhaps ? !

I agree and I think most of us agree that it was not a stranger shooting and it was a more intimate/personal killing.

In order to establish what happened you first have to go back and revisit the crime scene; go back to the beginning.  You have to carry out forensics and treat is as a crime scene.  Its so important to gather the correct evidence and its equally important to seal off the area to avoid contamination.

The windows were checked and there is no doubt about that. Taff Jones and a colleague went round the house and all windows and doors were locked from the inside.  A forensic team came in on the 8th and found no evidence to support anyone had entered the house or got out via the windows.  Another forensic team did a further extensive search of the windows September 8th to the 10th and again found nothing.

By late September the pressure was placed on the police by a third party who insisted that Sheila could not have used a rifle and shot her family.

A 3rd extensive examination took place of the windows on the 1st of October where according to Elliott he found a catch in the downstairs bathroom that had been scratched. See his account in the 2002 COA.

Yet, the exhibit was labelled RWC/8 If you look into this you will find that Elliot mislead the COA for he was not the one that had found this catch, Cook found it on the 28th September and had taken the catch from the window and had it labelled RWC/8 So what was Elliott and his team looking at on the 1st of October? 

I find this totally unacceptable that 2 forensic teams failed to establish that the windows had not been used to gain access to the farm and nor did they establish and exit from any window in the house. 

Yet, they knew Jeremy had entered the farm via a window on the 16th of September after the first 2 forensic examinations....So, on the 3rd examination it was established that the downstairs bathroom window had been used.  Of course it had been used, Jeremy left a note on the 16th to BW to ask her to secure the window....The police knew he had gained entry, because at this point he was being watched. 

This is evidence at its best that concludes that the windows at WHF had not been used prior to the murders...No one got in and no one got out of those windows or doors...So there is only one conclusion and that is that whoever pulled the trigger that night was inside the house.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #129 on: December 28, 2013, 03:50:PM »
I'll take that as a 'no' you can;t think of an alternative so, as gringo has pointed out, that would make Jeremy Innocent?
That is hardly an answer.  I was asking about the discrepancies in the two ages quoted for Sheila in two logs one of which was supposed to have been copied word for word.
You know what I think, I believe that one of the logs was a report of when Neville phone the police and one was from when Jeremy phoned the police.  Surprisingly Jeremy got Sheila's age correct and unsurprisingly Neville didn't.  It's not unusual for Dads to forget the age of their children and he was in a hurry.  Why don't you watch the video and read about the logs on the Official website.  Then you can maybe form an opinion.  I have given you the link earlier. ;D
Looks like we have a new member of the innocent camp.
    We believe that two calls were made to police that night (one from Jeremy and one from Nevill) and Adam agrees. It is also our contention that EP covered up Nevill's call (which would exonerate Jeremy) and again Adam is in agreement.
    However, with a leap of logic unfathomable by reason alone , Adam somehow manages to believe all of the above except for JB's innocence.
    Would you care to expand on the above and enlighten us , Adam? taking care to answer the question asked .

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #130 on: December 28, 2013, 03:59:PM »
Well of course they are, they can hardly be two weeks old!!

The relatives were 'told' that ALL of the evidence pointed to Sheila.

If you have an alternative explanation of the log discrepancies, we would welcome hearing it??




And whilst you're about it, perhaps you'd also explain "nice brekkie"

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #131 on: December 28, 2013, 04:02:PM »
I have seen the video.

Discrepancies in logs 28 years old. ... :-\

When the relatives approached the police, why didn't the police tell them Neville had phoned them ? The police believed Jeremy at first.
If something is covered up then obviously the discrepancies don't come to light until years later . The discrepancies existed at the time but were hidden hence they are now 28 years old, but I fail to see why the age of the logs has any bearing on their validity .
     At what age does evidence become invalidated ?
     How do you know what EP did or didn't tell the relatives ?
     

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #132 on: December 28, 2013, 04:06:PM »
Well of course they are, they can hardly be two weeks old!!

The relatives were 'told' that ALL of the evidence pointed to Sheila.

If you have an alternative explanation of the log discrepancies, we would welcome hearing it??
Missed your reply and raised the same point ,Caroline, so Adam can avoid the same point twice now :D

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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #133 on: December 28, 2013, 04:13:PM »



And whilst you're about it, perhaps you'd also explain "nice brekkie"

Jeremy annonced he was 'starving' when he arrived back at the cottage. I am sure he was. It had been a long night.

His brekkie was fried bacon, toast & coffee. Mmmm. He of course made the detectives a cuppa. Once the food was safely in his stomach he was ready to tell the detectives all about that 'nutter' Sheila & Nevilles urgent phone call.

The police not believing for one second that Jeremy could, would or did massacre his own family
 
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Re: Telephone issue - Extravaganza...
« Reply #134 on: December 28, 2013, 04:16:PM »
Thinking about it, this is a really good point!! If the call from Nevill never happened, why were they trying to prove how quick you could make the cycle ride from WHF to Goldhanger? If the call didn't take place - what would the point of that have been?

That's a valid point...Just what was the purpose of it?   ;D ;D ;D ;D