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Re: Judges summing up : His main points.
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2013, 07:29:PM »
Adam in one sentence you are asking did Jeremy not have a key to WHF next sentence you are saying he did not have a key to WHF.  We discussed this with you earlier try and remember what was posted only two keys to the new door one held by the parents the other by Barbara Wilson.  The reason the rellies had a key to the farm is because after the murders Jeremy gave them his key and this was how they managed to get in looking for evidence :'(  in and out of the farm via a window Jeremy told the police he often accessed the farm this way if his parents were not there.  Do you not read our posts.
It appears to me judging by your words here that Jeremy was the only honest one there? First he innocently gave the key to his relatives, who immediately proceeded to look for "evidence" against him. I must admit that allegedly finding a silencer with blood on it was a stroke of genius on their part.
Then he "admits" (the murderer would never have done so) to using a hacksaw to get into WHF. And who was it who said he was reluctant to speak to the police? Who afterwards immediately used this peace of knowledge against him to pin the murders on him. It appears to me that Jeremy was being totally open and honest from the start?

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« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2013, 07:30:PM »
The timings are interesting.

Sheila fought & brutally beat Neville. Took the silencer off, put it away.  Washed & changed, went upstairs & shot herself between 3.26am - 3.48am.
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« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2013, 07:32:PM »
Adam you are obsessed with this hacksaw, rusty old thing been lying there for ages suspect Jeremy could access the farm through a window without the aid of an hacksaw. Which part of only two keys to the door were given when the new door was fitted.don't you understand After the murders Jeremy told the police who had one key to give it to the rellies so they could search for clues ;D obviously if Jeremy had people visiting the farm valuing items he would not expect them to climb in through the windows in their posh suits. ;D ;D ;D ;D TWO KEYS ADAM TWO KEYS.  No spare keys Adam. Barbara Wilson would be present to let people in.  Guess what Adam just had a new door fitted guess how many keys we got TWO.

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« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2013, 07:33:PM »
The timings are interesting.

Sheila fought & brutally beat Neville. Took the silencer off, put it away.  Washed & changed, went upstairs & shot herself between 3.26am - 3.48am.



Is that so, Adam?

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Re: Judges summing up : His main points.
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2013, 07:33:PM »
The judge said the red paint on the silencer shows it was on the weapon during the fight.

Would Sheila in a psychotic episode take the time to put the silencer on ? If yes, why ? Did she know how to do it ? It is not easy.

Jeremy said the silencer was not on the rifle that night. Although another relative said he had seen the weapon with the silencer on.

How can he say that - was he there that night?
He cannot know that in any way - it might have gotten on the silencer at any other time, before or after the murders. Were there any chips of paint on the body of Nevill? Were there any chips of paint on the floor when the crime scene was forensically tested? Were there any chips of paint on the AGA when it was forensically tested?
I don“t call this proof.

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« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2013, 07:37:PM »
It appears to me judging by your words here that Jeremy was the only honest one there? First he innocently gave the key to his relatives, who immediately proceeded to look for "evidence" against him. I must admit that allegedly finding a silencer with blood on it was a stroke of genius on their part.
Then he "admits" (the murderer would never have done so) to using a hacksaw to get into WHF. And who was it who said he was reluctant to speak to the police? Who afterwards immediately used this peace of knowledge against him to pin the murders on him. It appears to me that Jeremy was being totally open and honest from the start?

Well the hacksaw was found & the marks matched the bathroom windows. Jeremy had already admitted he knew how to get into WHF, so I suppose there is not too much harm in saying the hacksaw is his. How long had it been lying there ?

Did the relatives have the keys, or was it the lawyer Basil who was present when the silencer was found ?
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Re: Judges summing up : His main points.
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2013, 07:38:PM »
The timings are interesting.

Sheila fought & brutally beat Neville. Took the silencer off, put it away.  Washed & changed, went upstairs & shot herself between 3.26am - 3.48am.
Because RM was not set in this would suggest that she shot herself not long before the police broke in?

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« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2013, 07:40:PM »
Initially they gave the time at around 3:30 - cherry picking again!!

Susan Battersby's WS (Available online) & testimony at court says it was 3.12.

The judge could not beleive he phoned her at all.
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« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2013, 07:43:PM »
Adam are you for real nobody was presented when the rellies found the silencer and they removed evidence from the scene and kept it at home for 3 days before handing to EP and at some stage one Officer used it as a paper weight on his desk.  Read up on this Adam.

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« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2013, 07:44:PM »
Adam you are obsessed with this hacksaw, rusty old thing been lying there for ages suspect Jeremy could access the farm through a window without the aid of an hacksaw. Which part of only two keys to the door were given when the new door was fitted.don't you understand After the murders Jeremy told the police who had one key to give it to the rellies so they could search for clues ;D obviously if Jeremy had people visiting the farm valuing items he would not expect them to climb in through the windows in their posh suits. ;D ;D ;D ;D TWO KEYS ADAM TWO KEYS.  No spare keys Adam. Barbara Wilson would be present to let people in.  Guess what Adam just had a new door fitted guess how many keys we got TWO.

Five people died. Perhaps five murders.

Jeremy could get in through the bathroom window.

One of the judges 'strange coincidences'.
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Re: Judges summing up : His main points.
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2013, 07:46:PM »
Well the hacksaw was found & the marks matched the bathroom windows. Jeremy had already admitted he knew how to get into WHF, so I suppose there is not too much harm in saying the hacksaw is his. How long had it been lying there ?

Did the relatives have the keys, or was it the lawyer Basil who was present when the silencer was found ?
The relatives had the keys before they "searched" it for "evidence". Also why didn't he get rid of the hacksaw blade? He was very open to police about this and admitted it all to them. So where is this where he was unco-operative with them? It just seems two strange things for a guilty person to do to me at least?
He is supposed to have confessed everything to JM. Then he went and gave the keys to WHF to those relatives who were looking for an opportunity to get him convicted. And he confesses to have used a hacksaw blade to get into a window. (this also begs the question why no hacksaw blade marks were found on the window the day of the murders?) Some very weird things for a guilty man to do aren't they? Come on use your common sense. You must be able to see how ridiculous all that sounds?

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Re: Judges summing up : His main points.
« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2013, 07:53:PM »
Adam Jeremy told the police he entered the farm through windows long before the murders hardly the action of somebody guilty of murder he would have kept that to himself.

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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2013, 08:05:PM »
Adam are you for real nobody was presented when the rellies found the silencer and they removed evidence from the scene and kept it at home for 3 days before handing to EP and at some stage one Officer used it as a paper weight on his desk.  Read up on this Adam.

I read that Basil Cock was present.
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« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2013, 08:07:PM »
The relatives had the keys before they "searched" it for "evidence". Also why didn't he get rid of the hacksaw blade? He was very open to police about this and admitted it all to them. So where is this where he was unco-operative with them? It just seems two strange things for a guilty person to do to me at least?
He is supposed to have confessed everything to JM. Then he went and gave the keys to WHF to those relatives who were looking for an opportunity to get him convicted. And he confesses to have used a hacksaw blade to get into a window. (this also begs the question why no hacksaw blade marks were found on the window the day of the murders?) Some very weird things for a guilty man to do aren't they? Come on use your common sense. You must be able to see how ridiculous all that sounds?

Just mentioning what the judge said.

Jeremy said he used the found hacksaw to gain entry after the murders. The judge suggested he may have used it before the murders.
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Re: Judges summing up : His main points.
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2013, 08:08:PM »
Yes, Susan - another one who was let off from the cheque book fraud by Stan Jones, the same Stan Jones who was unhappy with the initial times given by Julie's flatmates. He was eventually happy with 3:12 and Susan was happy about not being prosecuted. Deal!! :)

Another lie against Jeremy, the unluckiest person....ever.
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