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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #135 on: March 10, 2011, 09:32:PM »
There's also some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to June's side of the bed, so she wouldn't have bled on a rug anyway.
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Quilt is on floor by 10 O'clock because police moved it off bed to examine bed for evidence - they put it on the floor next to the bed...

So, June did / could have bled on the sheepskin rug on that side of the bed...

In my opinion...

There is also a rug on the floor on June's side of the bed ... it looks similar to the one Sheila is lying on.
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The same one...

Or maybe there were two rugs - one each side of the bed.

Do you have evidence that it's the same rug?
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same rug, yes...
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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #136 on: March 10, 2011, 09:34:PM »
And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...

You don't have evidence that a rug was moved then. I thought not ...

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #137 on: March 10, 2011, 09:34:PM »
There's also some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to June's side of the bed, so she wouldn't have bled on a rug anyway.
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Quilt is on floor by 10 O'clock because police moved it off bed to examine bed for evidence - they put it on the floor next to the bed...

So, June did / could have bled on the sheepskin rug on that side of the bed...

In my opinion...

There is also a rug on the floor on June's side of the bed ... it looks similar to the one Sheila is lying on.
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The same one...

Or maybe there were two rugs - one each side of the bed.

Do you have evidence that it's the same rug?
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same rug, yes...

Where's the evidence of that?

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #138 on: March 10, 2011, 09:35:PM »
And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...

You don't have evidence that a rug was moved then. I thought not ...
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Only one sheepskin rug as an exhibit during first case (SC/688/85)...
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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #139 on: March 10, 2011, 09:40:PM »
And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...

You don't have evidence that a rug was moved then. I thought not ...
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Only one sheepskin rug as an exhibit during first case (SC/688/85)...

And?


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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #140 on: March 10, 2011, 09:43:PM »
And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...

You don't have evidence that a rug was moved then. I thought not ...
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Only one sheepskin rug as an exhibit during first case (SC/688/85)...

And?
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it had blood type AK 2-1 upon it - multiple spots of blood (supposedly found beneath body of Sheila on other side of bed)...
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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #141 on: March 10, 2011, 09:45:PM »
How do you think blood smears on the front side of June Bambers nightdress got there, which are absent on the back?
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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #142 on: March 10, 2011, 09:48:PM »
And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...

You don't have evidence that a rug was moved then. I thought not ...
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Only one sheepskin rug as an exhibit during first case (SC/688/85)...

And?
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it had blood type AK 2-1 upon it - multiple spots of blood (supposedly found beneath body of Sheila on other side of bed)...

Well I've heard that June went up that side of the bed - I've been wondering why.

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #143 on: March 10, 2011, 09:56:PM »
And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...

You don't have evidence that a rug was moved then. I thought not ...
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Only one sheepskin rug as an exhibit during first case (SC/688/85)...

And?
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it had blood type AK 2-1 upon it - multiple spots of blood (supposedly found beneath body of Sheila on other side of bed)...

Well I've heard that June went up that side of the bed - I've been wondering why.
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I don't think June went up along that side of the bed, they just moved the sheepskin rug with her blood on it, from one side of the bed, to the other, before they laid out Sheila's body on top of it...

in my opinion...
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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #144 on: March 10, 2011, 10:16:PM »
And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...

You don't have evidence that a rug was moved then. I thought not ...
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Only one sheepskin rug as an exhibit during first case (SC/688/85)...

And?
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it had blood type AK 2-1 upon it - multiple spots of blood (supposedly found beneath body of Sheila on other side of bed)...

Well I've heard that June went up that side of the bed - I've been wondering why.
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I don't think June went up along that side of the bed, they just moved the sheepskin rug with her blood on it, from one side of the bed, to the other, before they laid out Sheila's body on top of it...

in my opinion...

For what reason?

What about the rest of the blood all over the floor? I thought that was supposed to be June's.

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #145 on: March 10, 2011, 11:19:PM »
Why would the police TAKE photos of incriminating evidence then have to hide them?

oh wait, they didn't realise it would be incriminating at the time eh?

They thought they'd take photos of someone on a bed, then move her (cos they really wanted the bed situation 'hush hush' but a photo for posterity?)

The way it's being told at the moment, June and Sheila covered more bloody (literally) floorspace than Strictly Come Dancing's entire season and assumed more positions than the Karma Sutra.

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #146 on: March 10, 2011, 11:29:PM »
Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #147 on: March 10, 2011, 11:35:PM »
Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #148 on: March 11, 2011, 12:10:AM »
Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.


OK, but does anyone know what the term "informatives" means in this context?

And does anyone have some idea why so many more officers traipsed through the house than EP were prepared to admit?  Unless that is a myth, also . . .

We did have a legal librarian taking an interest in this case, with ballistics experts among her friends, if I recall correctly, so it is just possible that there is someone in the forum who has friends or family in the police force who could explain this, and that's really what I am interested in (TBM, if you're one of them, I apologise, but in your post you are essentially asking the question which I posed, albeit in a different way).

My understanding is that EP's investigation was below standard even for the day; if it's true that a member of the press was invited into the house to take official photographs at 9am, something which I am not sure happened, I admit, then it's not so difficult to imagine that they would have been capable of other unusual behaviour . . . which could at least account for EP's reluctance to release certain pieces of evidence to JB's solicitors.  OK, they provided one solicitor with a photographic album perhaps not previously disclosed but they did not allow him to use it, so it was information they presumably considered an embarrassment of some sort).

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Re: Photograph of Shiela on the bed
« Reply #149 on: March 11, 2011, 12:53:AM »
Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

I'm not sure about the press thing at all.
I think the negligence of EP is without question (but in my view, probably from good intention). They just took everything as read, suicide, and so they simply assumed the gun at the scene was 'the weapon' and did a bare minimum gathering of evidence.
They didn't do NOTHING though, they did a reasonable amount, but nowhere near what they would have done had they just found the bodies (without this suicide being put in their heads).

To me is just seemed a case of "Right, we see what's happened here, get what you need lads, then get it tidied up... poor cow's shot herself... shocking innit?"... and the rest is history.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.


OK, but does anyone know what the term "informatives" means in this context?

And does anyone have some idea why so many more officers traipsed through the house than EP were prepared to admit?  Unless that is a myth, also . . .

We did have a legal librarian taking an interest in this case, with ballistics experts among her friends, if I recall correctly, so it is just possible that there is someone in the forum who has friends or family in the police force who could explain this, and that's really what I am interested in (TBM, if you're one of them, I apologise, but in your post you are essentially asking the question which I posed, albeit in a different way).

My understanding is that EP's investigation was below standard even for the day; if it's true that a member of the press was invited into the house to take official photographs at 9am, something which I am not sure happened, I admit, then it's not so difficult to imagine that they would have been capable of other unusual behaviour . . . which could at least account for EP's reluctance to release certain pieces of evidence to JB's solicitors.  OK, they provided one solicitor with a photographic album perhaps not previously disclosed but they did not allow him to use it, so it was information they presumably considered an embarrassment of some sort).