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Offline mike tesko

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Ligature marks were found on his arm, suggestive that he may have been restricted in protecting the other victims' and himself, before he was shot...
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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 04:47:AM »
If Ralph was tied up, or tethered to anything, at any stage before the actual shootings got underway, it would have made it a lot easier for someone like Sheila to control him, and dare I say it, free up sufficient time for her to kill the others. In my view, this would fit into the mindset which Sheila had fallen into, on the previous evening, when her parents were suggesting that she wasn't fit or well enough to look after her own children. The thought of having her children took off her, or losing them, could have sent her over the edge  - with this in mind, did Sheila manage to catch Ralph unaware, and tie him up, whilst she went about shooting the other  victims?

Seems like a plausible scenario to  me...

Tying up Ralph, and thus restricting his ability to protect the others and himself, makes perfect sense in the circumstances of  this case. Sheila shot and killed her mother, shooting her whilst she lay in bed. Sheila shot and killed her children whilst both slept soundly in their beds in an adjoining bedroom. At some stage afterwards, Ralph was freed up, or untied at the point of a gun, and forced to make a telephone call to Jeremy to try to lure him to the farmhouse, so that Sheila could kill him, as well. It is perfectly feasible that when Ralph had made the call to Jeremy, that he took the opportunity to break free from Sheila-s control, and that he then managed to call the police to alert them about what was happening at the farmhouse...
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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 04:55:AM »
Why did the pathologist, and police, try to hide the fact that Ralph had ligature  marks on one of his arms?

Was it because, in this scenario Sheila was more than capable of controlling Ralph and eventually being able to overpower him, until she killed him downstairs in the kitchen...
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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 12:31:PM »
Ligature marks were found on his arm, suggestive that he may have been restricted in protecting the other victims' and himself, before he was shot...

Is this information from a photograph or written report?


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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 01:28:PM »
Got any pictures Mike? The luny senario writers will need them. ;)

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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 02:27:PM »
Ligature marks? Never heard of any such. Wouldn´t it have been extremely difficult for Sheila to tie up Neville?!

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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 02:36:PM »
Is this information from a photograph or written report?

Photograph...
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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 02:40:PM »
why would they tie him and not the others.

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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2013, 02:57:PM »
Ligature marks? Never heard of any such. Wouldn´t it have been extremely difficult for Sheila to tie up Neville?!

Hi Alias,

I don't think it would have been too difficult for Sheila to have tied or tethered Ralph up, in view of the fact that Ralph very often fell asleep in his offices, and on the sofa in the lounge. He could have been sound asleep when Sheila tied him up, or alternatively, she could have struck him with use of the rifle rendering him temporarily, unconscious, thus creating sufficiently  enough time  so that she could tie him up at will...
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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2013, 03:26:PM »
Would like to see that photograph...

forgot to say hi, so rude I am! HI, Mike!
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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2013, 03:33:PM »
seing as none of us are forensic experts i dont think we could possibly say that the marks proved he had been tied up.

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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2013, 03:42:PM »
If Sheila tied him up, why would she untie him, and where was the string/rope she allegedly used?

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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2013, 03:49:PM »
well string or rope was found in the house what would of been the point of tieng him up anyway.

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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2013, 06:05:PM »
seing as none of us are forensic experts i dont think we could possibly say that the marks proved he had been tied up.

Ralph was tethered up by use of the telephone cable of the replacement kitchen phone found days later by the house cleaner. The ligament marks on his arm matched the shape, size and characteristic of the digital phone cable. It is also widely believed that whilst Ralphs arms were tied against the arm of a large wooden chair in the kitchen, that the back of his neck was burned by the heated barrels of a gun...
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Re: Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2013, 06:12:PM »
Ralph was tethered up by use of the telephone cable of the replacement kitchen phone found days later by the house cleaner. The ligament marks on his arm matched the shape, size and characteristic of the digital phone cable. It is also widely believed that whilst Ralphs arms were tied against the arm of a large wooden chair in the kitchen, that the back of his neck was burned by the heated barrels of a gun...

The gun which caused the burn marks on the back of Ralphs neck, was the one police confiscated from Bunting - how did this significant crime scene exhibit end up in Buntings possession?
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