The 3 o'clock phone calls & what Mugford knew.

[Adam]

If Mugford was going to lie, why mention Michael Mcdonald ? She would have known that would be checked & proved to be untrue.

I believe Mcdonald was mentioned because Bamber told her this story to soften the blow. If Bamber was innocent why not just say to Mugford 'it was Sheila' ?

[Jane]

If Mugford was going to lie, why mention Michael Mcdonald ? She would have known that would be checked & proved to be untrue.

I believe Mcdonald was mentioned because Bamber told her this story to soften the blow. If Bamber was innocent why not just say to Mugford 'it was Sheila' ?

But there is only JM's word for it that Jeremy ever said these things.

[Adam]

I know, but I would never lie about someone & use a third person. My lie would come back to bite me.

[Caroline R]

The statements are here - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

[Caroline R]

I know, but I would never lie about someone & use a third person. My lie would come back to bite me.

Because she probably didn't want him to be convicted if she used a third party and he had an alibi, she could simply say that she was only repeating what Jeremy had told her. Interesting that THIS particular third party had had a relationship with her friend Liz Rimmington, who in turn had slept with Jeremy behind Julie's back.

[Roch]

I know, but I would never lie about someone & use a third person. My lie would come back to bite me.

The sighting by Myall required there to have been a third party involved, while Bamber was outside with police. Maybe the sighting was edited out of the logs, when it became clear that the hitman role couldn't be pinned on McDonald? The police had to fall back to a secondary, less satisfactory option. They had to pin the actual deed on Bamber himself. Pinning it on an accomplice would have fitted in with both the sighting and the lack of evidence regarding Bamber's involvement. 

[maggie]

The sighting by Myall required there to have been a third party involved, while Bamber was outside with police. Maybe the sighting was edited out of the logs, when it became clear that the hitman role couldn't be pinned on McDonald? The police had to fall back to a secondary, less satisfactory option. They had to pin the actual deed on Bamber himself. Pinning it on an accomplice would have fitted in with both the sighting and the lack of evidence regarding Bamber's involvement.

Like that suggestion Roch, d'you think the hit man may have been invented to explain away the sighting at the window and they chose McDonald as he was said to be a mercenary?  If that is true well, words fail me however they shouldn't because I know very well they fitted Jeremy Bamber up, why should I be surprised??   

[lookout]

Like that suggestion Roch, d'you think the hit man may have been invented to explain away the sighting at the window and they chose McDonald as he was said to be a mercenary?  If that is true well, words fail me however they shouldn't because I know very well they fitted Jeremy Bamber up, why should I be surprised??

Roch is quite clever,you know. A most logical suggestion.

[Caroline R]

The sighting by Myall required there to have been a third party involved, while Bamber was outside with police. Maybe the sighting was edited out of the logs, when it became clear that the hitman role couldn't be pinned on McDonald? The police had to fall back to a secondary, less satisfactory option. They had to pin the actual deed on Bamber himself. Pinning it on an accomplice would have fitted in with both the sighting and the lack of evidence regarding Bamber's involvement.

I don't think the 'hitman' suggestion would ever have stood up if they used the sighting at the window to back it up(even if McDonald didn't have an alibi). It falls down when you ask 'where did he go'? House locked from the inside and the place is crawling with cops.

[maggie]

Roch is quite clever,you know. A most logical suggestion.

I should think Malcolm McDonald should be forever thankful he had an alibi that night. If he hadn't he may have found himself in the dock next to Jeremy. 

[maggie]

I don't think the 'hitman' suggestion would ever have stood up if they used the sighting at the window to back it up(even if McDonald didn't have an alibi). It falls down when you ask 'where did he go'? House locked from the inside and the place is crawling with cops.

Yes that's true, hadn't thought that through, had I? 

[Roch]

I don't think the 'hitman' suggestion would ever have stood up if they used the sighting at the window to back it up(even if McDonald didn't have an alibi). It falls down when you ask 'where did he go'? House locked from the inside and the place is crawling with cops.

They could have argued that the hitman used the egress alleged to have been used by Bamber, at a time that Myall, Bews and Bamber fled back to vehicle. You have to look at why McDonald was introduced at all. Was it simply due to one of Mugford's associates? Was it part of Stan's plan? 

[Caroline R]

They could have argued that the hitman used the egress alleged to have been used by Bamber, at a time that Myall, Bews and Bamber fled back to vehicle. You have to look at why McDonald was introduced at all. Was it simply due to one of Mugford's associates? Was it part of Stan's plan?

We will never know! Unless someone comes forward.

[lookout]

Two timing you're girlfriend. That's one way to grieve !

Jeremy took a risk, dumping her so soon afterwards. Even if he had not told her anything, people were suspicious. Would have been better to keep her onside. In relationships people do get carried away, throw things etc. Young love, eh.

Yes,,he'd certainly have taken a risk if he'd been the murderer. Intended murderers don't tell anyone.

[Adam]

Suspect Jeremy felt Julie was under his spell suffciently. It is correct he did not say to anyone else he committed the crime. However Wilke's book states that Jeremy unexpectedly said to a friend one evening 'only I know what really happened that night'.

When Mugford threatened to go to the police Jeremy said they would never believe her as he was watertight.