The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Caroline]

Julie on TV after the conviction said Jeremy planned to drug the family & burn the house down.

Did she mention that she supplied the drugs?

[Adam]

handling the moderator with a hanky for a start. Admitted in the police statement. The way the moderator was put in the boot of the families car and taken out of WHF before being handled to the police.

It was accepted in court. So considered not contaminated.

[Roch]

It was accepted in court. So considered not contaminated.

Hypothetical question:

If it was accepted in a court that 'Piltdown Man' was a genuine fossil, would that mean that it wasn't a hoax?

[Jan]

Hypothrtical question:

If it was accepted in a court that 'Piltdown Man' was a genuine fossil, would that mean that it wasn't a hoax?

 

[Jan]

It was accepted in court. So considered not contaminated.

So Adam - if that was you - and the only bit of "evidence" had been handled in that way and did not apparently get to the lab until about 6 weeks later  - would you just have put your hands up and said "fair cop guv"

[Jane]

Why didn't Jeremys highly paid defence team get this information from Sheila's social workers.

The defence did consult several psychiatrists. None said Sheila was capable of going on such a murderous rampage. One also said Jeremy was a psychopath. Able to block out his crime from his mind.

FFS Adam, this has been visited time and time again. The answer to the first question is beyond the remit of anyone here. As for the psychiatrists, none had ever seen her and were basing what the said on the report of Dr F who had seen her for the last time 18 weeks prior to her death. Mental illness is so volatile that it can change in an instant especially when meds are unbalanced, as were Sheila's.

[Jan]

Why didn't Jeremys highly paid defence team get this information from Sheila's social workers.

The defence did consult several psychiatrists. None said Sheila was capable of going on such a murderous rampage. One also said Jeremy was a psychopath. Able to block out his crime from his mind.

this question is irrelevant. You have just been shown the evidence - it exists. end of your argument.

And you only choose to quote which expert suits you. JB has passed tests that show he is not a psychopath.

[Adam]

FFS Adam, this has been visited time and time again. The answer to the first question is beyond the remit of anyone here. As for the psychiatrists, none had ever seen her and were basing what the said on the report of Dr F who had seen her for the last time 18 weeks prior to her death. Mental illness is so volatile that it can change in an instant especially when meds are unbalanced, as were Sheila's.

That is not the courts or juries fault. They made a decision on the evidence at the time. Guilty.

[Jane]

That is not the courts or juries fault. They made a decision on the evidence at the time. Guilty.

It sounds as if you're saying that it really is of no consequence if the evidence is flawed and whatever the jury decide, despite being given the wrong information, should be adhered to and if the poor sod in the dock is innocent, tough luck if he's found guilty, it's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[Adam]

It sounds as if you're saying that it really is of no consequence if the evidence is flawed and whatever the jury decide, despite being given the wrong information, should be adhered to and if the poor sod in the dock is innocent, tough luck if he's found guilty, it's just the way the cookie crumbles.

If Sheila had not seen a social worker for 18 weeks. That cannot change. The psychiatrists used by the defence can just use the information available. Or the highly paid defence can find other information.

[Adam]

Perfectly beleivable scenario for me -

Jeremy rides to WHF - He had a bike & knew the routes.

He gets through the bathroom window without making a noise  - He is used to getting in. Found hacksaw used  earlier to ensure a quiet entry.

The phones are disabled & gun picked up.

He starts shooting a sleeping June - Blood on the pillow (5)

Neville wakes & gets up & is shot - Torso shots (4)

Neville heads to the kitchen - Back shot (1)

He is caught up and beaten - Gun is now empty. Nevilles black eyes, damaged jaw.

Gun re loaded and Neville shot again - Head shots (3)

June has staggered out of bed. She is shot again (2)

Sheila is woken & told she needs to go into the main bedroom. She is immediatly pulled to the floor, held down &  shot. Still alive she is shot again - Two bullet wounds (2)

The twins are shot while sleeping - Found in bed (eight).

Silencer taken off - Not found on gun.

A gun & bible is put on & by Sheila - Both found on/by her.

Bedroom phone brought downstairs & plugged in - No blood on phone.

Kitchen phone hidden - Found under newpapers. In working order.

Silencer put in box in gun cupboard - Found in a box in the gun cupboard.

Exit out of the kitchen window - Lockable from outside.

Back home, wash & get ready to make phone calls.

[Adam]

For Graheme.

[Jane]

If Sheila had not seen a social worker for 18 weeks. That cannot change. The psychiatrists used by the defence can just use the information available. Or the highly paid defence can find other information.

Where did you read that I'd mentioned social workers? I have NO idea when she'd last seen one and unlike you, I don't make it up if I don't know, but I WILL repeat that which I do and it remains FACT that the ONLY psychiatrist to have had ANY contact with her had seen her for the last time 18 weeks prior to her death and could only base his finding on what he saw then. Information, or NOT, gleaned by the defence is NOT my responsibility.

[Adam]

Where did you read that I'd mentioned social workers? I have NO idea when she'd last seen one and unlike you, I don't make it up if I don't know, but I WILL repeat that which I do and it remains FACT that the ONLY psychiatrist to have had ANY contact with her had seen her for the last time 18 weeks prior to her death and could only base his finding on what he saw then. Information, or NOT, gleaned by the defence is NOT my responsibility.

Psychiatrists, social workers. If no one had seen her for 18 weeks, that's a fact. The courts discuss facts.

[susan]

Adam pity you don't follow the Court and speak facts