The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Nickos]

I don´t believe Sheila had started shooting when Nevill called - that would have been difficult, I agree. And yes, of course I am guessing!

Hi Alias, a balanced reply, thanks.

The forum, as you know, is simply a case of comparing theories and some get a bit heated.

Do you believe in the phone call from Nevill to JB (and the call from Nevill to EP)?

[Nickos]

Hi Nikos )

I believe that at some point it was possible that Sheila was placed on the bed. The fact they photographed the floor under her body suggests she had been moved. 

It could well have been when the funeral directors had come to take her, or Sheila was moved to take the photograph.  There is one if you read Macdonnell's  report....

Hi Patti x,

The scene was messed up a lot by EP, but this imo does not clear JB, but it can help those who are trying to get him released (of course imo all for the wrong reasons).

It's interesting that you refer to a picture of sheila on the bed mentioned in Macdonnell's report.

Your reference is to Sheila being placed on the bed (and a photo then taken), where of course some suggest the photo was of Sheila on the bed BEFORE she was photographed on the floor, giving rise to EP having stage managed Sheila when this is nothing of the sort.

To me this is clearly where some have got the idea that this picture of SC carries some weight in support of JB, when it's simply a shot of her taken later that morning.

Patti can you please cut and paste this part of Macdonnell's report? x


 

[Patti]

Hi Patti x,

The scene was messed up a lot by EP, but this imo does not clear JB, but it can help those who are trying to get him released (of course imo all for the wrong reasons).

It's interesting that you refer to a picture of sheila on the bed mentioned in Macdonnell's report.

Your reference is to Sheila being placed on the bed (and a photo then taken), where of course some suggest the photo was of Sheila on the bed BEFORE she was photographed on the floor, giving rise to EP having stage managed Sheila when this is nothing of the sort.

To me this is clearly where some have got the idea that this picture of SC carries some weight in support of JB, when it's simply a shot of her taken later that morning.

Patti can you please cut and paste this part of Macdonnell's report? x

Hi Nikos

I never said that Macdonnell had said there was a photo of Sheila on the bed...What I meant was that there is a photograph taken of the floor underneath her body and it is possible that the body was moved onto the bed at this point....

Pay attention or I wont kiss you under the mistletoe 

[Adam]

I don´t believe Sheila had started shooting when Nevill called - that would have been difficult, I agree. And yes, of course I am guessing!

The judge said Neville would have been fit when phoning Jeremy. The pathologist said with his injuries after being beaten, Neville would have had difficulty speaking. However Jeremy told Colin Caffel that Neville sounded injured when on the phone. So why was there no blood on the phone ?

In court Jeremy changed to saying Neville sounded concerned, not injured.

[Nickos]

Hi Nikos

I never said that Macdonnell had said there was a photo of Sheila on the bed...What I meant was that there is a photograph taken of the floor underneath her body and it is possible that the body was moved onto the bed at this point....

Pay attention or I wont kiss you under the mistletoe 

Yes miss - sorry miss - now standing by my bed for said kiss - mistletoe in hand 

[Adam]

I don´t believe Sheila had started shooting when Nevill called - that would have been difficult, I agree. And yes, of course I am guessing!

What was Sheila doing when Neville called ?

Holding the family hostage ? Er no because Neville was in the kitchen phoning Jeremy.

Shooting June & the twins ? Er no because Neville would not ring up Jeremy in that situation.

Locking herself in a room with the gun ? Er no, Neville & June would just wait outside & either talk her around, or restrain her when she opens the door. Anyway June was shot while her head was on the pillow.

So what was she doing ?

[Patti]

The judge said Neville would have been fit when phoning Jeremy. The pathologist said with his injuries after being beaten, Neville would have had difficulty speaking. However Jeremy told Colin Caffel that Neville sounded injured when on the phone. So why was there no blood on the phone ?

In court Jeremy changed to saying Neville sounded concerned, not injured.

Hi Adam

Where does CC say that?  I have just read his statement that is in the archives and he does not say anything like that at all....Can you expand on this please.   

[Patti]

Yes miss - sorry miss - now standing by my bed for said kiss - mistletoe in hand 

Nikos 

[Adam]

I would agree lookout that a phone ringing at 3am always seems ominous and the urge to answer is very strong.
Could imagine Jeremy hearing the phone and getting to it and answering while he was still half asleep.

Maybe Jeremys tractor had missed a bit.

[grahameb]

Hi Alias, a balanced reply, thanks.

The forum, as you know, is simply a case of comparing theories and some get a bit heated.

Do you believe in the phone call from Nevill to JB (and the call from Nevill to EP)?

[Adam]

Hi Adam

Where does CC say that?  I have just read his statement that is in the archives and he does not say anything like that at all....Can you expand on this please.   

Colin Caffell testified that 'Jeremy had left him with the impression that Neville was already wounded when he telephoned'.

On oath in the trial Jeremy had said he could not recall Neville being injured.

[Adam]

It is part of the judges summing up.

In the 'judges summing up' thread.

[Adam]

What was Sheila doing when Neville called ?

Holding the family hostage ? Er no because Neville was in the kitchen phoning Jeremy.

Shooting June & the twins ? Er no because Neville would not ring up Jeremy in that situation.

Locking herself in a room with the gun ? Er no, Neville & June would just wait outside & either talk her around, or restrain her when she opens the door. Anyway June was shot while her head was on the pillow.

So what was she doing ?

[Adam]

Anyone ?

[grahameb]

Anyone ?

What?