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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2355 on: December 22, 2013, 09:15:PM »
He was not very nice to Jeremy after the guilty verdict was said.
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« Reply #2356 on: December 22, 2013, 09:23:PM »
He was not very nice to Jeremy after the guilty verdict was said.




Judges for the prosecution aren't known to be nice to those on the receiving end,no matter who they are.

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« Reply #2357 on: December 22, 2013, 09:23:PM »
None of you 19 reasons are neccessarily true. It is just you guessing, nothing more.

Nevill (according to JB) said that Sheila had the gun, not that she was firing it. If she had been shooting, I think he would have said so in the call, not just "she´s got".
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« Reply #2358 on: December 22, 2013, 09:23:PM »
Some of the 19 points are facts.

Neville did answer the phone around 10am.

People in court tesified that Neville hated his parents.

Jeremy did say Neville liked to keep things in the family.

Jeremy did phone the police.

Jeremy had worked a long day on the farm.

The caravan site was broken into. Jeremy had not been prosecuted at this time.

Jeremy said in court he had a poor relationship with June.

Jeremy may not answer a ringing phone.

Jeremy will not be over for a long time.

Jeremy did not have a key to WHF.

Neville was putting his son in danger.

Dial up phones are slow. The numbers in Essex are long.

Jeremy has said recently he did not understand Sheila's illness.

Jeremy may not answer a ringing phone for a long time.

Neville was big & strong and the head of the family.
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2359 on: December 22, 2013, 09:26:PM »
?????? you are joking :o. You have had answers - have you not worked out the case does not hinge on the call? Unless you are a physic you have no idea what he was thinking -do you?

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« Reply #2360 on: December 22, 2013, 09:32:PM »
?????? you are joking :o. You have had answers - have you not worked out the case does not hinge on the call? Unless you are a physic you have no idea what he was thinking -do you?



Ohhhh!!! Is THAT what he keeps re posting for.  I thought he was just looking for new ways of being irritatingly boringly irritating :D

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« Reply #2361 on: December 22, 2013, 09:36:PM »
Responding to Alias saying 'none of the points are neccessarily true' .

They are.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 09:37:PM by Adam »
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2362 on: December 22, 2013, 09:57:PM »
Responding to Alias saying 'none of the points are neccessarily true' .

They are.

You are posting them as resons for Nevill not to call Jeremy - that means that none of them are neccessarily true:
For instance, Jeremy did not have a key to WHF, so you claim that that might have been a reason fot Nevill not to call him. I say: you are guessing.

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« Reply #2363 on: December 22, 2013, 10:06:PM »
Responding to Alias saying 'none of the points are neccessarily true' .

They are.

only in your mind >:(. strange t0 you think JB could get back to his house in double quick time  after murders - but it would take him a long time to get toto  do the return journey  the same place to help his father. :o

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« Reply #2364 on: December 22, 2013, 10:43:PM »
You are posting them as resons for Nevill not to call Jeremy - that means that none of them are neccessarily true:
For instance, Jeremy did not have a key to WHF, so you claim that that might have been a reason fot Nevill not to call him. I say: you are guessing.

They are facts. Neville may have ignored these facts  & still phoned Jeremy. But it is very unlikely.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 10:44:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #2365 on: December 22, 2013, 10:47:PM »
only in your mind >:(. strange t0 you think JB could get back to his house in double quick time  after murders - but it would take him a long time to get toto  do the return journey  the same place to help his father. :o

When did I say anything about double quick time ?

When someone is having an amazing & unexpected psychotic episode with a gun, 30 seconds is a long time. Jeremy is at least 10 minutes away if he left straight away & drove quickly. He didn't.
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« Reply #2366 on: December 23, 2013, 07:42:AM »
When did I say anything about double quick time ?

When someone is having an amazing & unexpected psychotic episode with a gun, 30 seconds is a long time. Jeremy is at least 10 minutes away if he left straight away & drove quickly. He didn't.



But Sheila's episodes of psychosis can't be described as "unexpected" She had been hospitalized twice in 6 months for exactly that, and following her first stay, Dr F commented that because of the initial slow onset, the prognosis wasn't good. Despite this, she slipped through the net and her meds were reduced to what can only be described as a catastrophically dangerous level without ANYONE monitoring their effects. Because Dr F chose to disregard what she'd told him about her fears regarding her relationship with her children, it's possible to "isolate" into immediacy, what he said of her following her death, but if one adds in the variables that were conveniently left out, one sees a rather different picture..................and that's without taking into consideration the effects on her the last emotionally devastating 18 weeks of her life would have had.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2367 on: December 23, 2013, 09:16:AM »


But Sheila's episodes of psychosis can't be described as "unexpected" She had been hospitalized twice in 6 months for exactly that, and following her first stay, Dr F commented that because of the initial slow onset, the prognosis wasn't good. Despite this, she slipped through the net and her meds were reduced to what can only be described as a catastrophically dangerous level without ANYONE monitoring their effects. Because Dr F chose to disregard what she'd told him about her fears regarding her relationship with her children, it's possible to "isolate" into immediacy, what he said of her following her death, but if one adds in the variables that were conveniently left out, one sees a rather different picture..................and that's without taking into consideration the effects on her the last emotionally devastating 18 weeks of her life would have had.





Good morning April,,there was no getting away from it that Sheila was a very sick woman. Made worse by the fact that far less was known about the illness than is now,though having said that,,we're not that further advanced regarding illnesses affecting the brain except that there have been improvements in containing certain conditions with up to date medications.
The biggest problem still remains for anyone who is suffering from psychological impairment is making sure that medication is taken regularly and as prescribed by the provider. As in Sheilas' case,this was being missed for whatever reason,,and I'll stick my neck out by saying that it was because of the side-effects that most medications carry,,then you have to take other products to counteract this. On top of being sporadic with her medication,Sheila also took opiates,which would add insult to injury because cannabis and cocaine don't mix with certain prescription medications.
We don't know how long Sheila had been taking cannabis and cocaine,,but they will have left their mark on the brain,,and most know that these patients are very clever at hiding the fact that all is well,as visually,they can look well,which is deceiving.
Those of us who know how psychologically unbalanced people act,,know that their moods are very unpredictable,as are their actions and they can change in a matter of minutes if they hear something that they don't want to hear.
As DF had said,,the turning point in the discussion over the childrens' welfare/futures,could/would have been the main cause of the catastrophic outcome.
Not one person in that courtroom had any idea of how seriously ill Sheila was,,and that latterly,prior to the tragedy,her condition had deteriorated,,something which was stated by the doctor. Sadly,there was no support for anyone.Neither was there any understanding about paranoid schizophrenia in general.

I should imagine that both June and Neville found it very difficult in dealing with Sheila,and their lack of understanding in a comparatively " modern illness " was beyond them.Both parents had been hard-working,,were getting on in years and were having to try and cope with not only the farm and its workers,but Sheilas' erratic behaviour and also lack of ability to see to the twins,,which would have been left to June. I would think that the strain on both parents would have been evident towards the end,,as mental illness alone is a lot to take on,particularly at their time of life.
I'd have said that things kicked off as soon as Jeremy had left.First with the arguing,,then we all know how it sadly ended. 

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2368 on: December 23, 2013, 12:46:PM »
Was not aware I was back at school.

Having my posts crossed out & red marks put all over it. Find it a bit disrespectful to be honest.

Anyway. Most of my 19 reasons are also facts. As Jeremy put it, Neville couldn't have done it, wouldn't have done it & did not do it.
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2369 on: December 23, 2013, 01:06:PM »
Was not aware I was back at school.

Having my posts crossed out & red marks put all over it. Find it a bit disrespectful to be honest.

Anyway. Most of my 19 reasons are also facts. As Jeremy put it, Neville couldn't have done it, wouldn't have done it & did not do it.



I suspect it may be because you often give the impression that you haven't yet LEFT school.