The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Steve_uk]

What jewellry robbery ..... that's hearsay at best, Osea Road ...... would like to know the real truth about how that came about.
I think it's pretty unforgiveable how you quote hearsay or your own thoughts as fact.

We've sifted through an awful lot of evidence which is damning to Jeremy's cause,ambiguous at best.Jeremy was forced to admit to the Osea Road robbery to conceal a greater crime.

[maggie]

We've sifted through an awful lot of evidence which is damning to Jeremy's cause,ambiguous at best.Jeremy was forced to admit to the Osea Road robbery to conceal a greater crime.

But evidence which is ambiguous is not evidence which proves anything as it is open to interpretation and is not fact as you know.

[grahameb]

We've sifted through an awful lot of evidence which is damning to Jeremy's cause,ambiguous at best.Jeremy was forced to admit to the Osea Road robbery to conceal a greater crime.

How on earth could one crime conceal another crime. Forgive me for being blunt. But that reasoning doesn't make sense?

[susan]

Morning steve

have not got a clue what you are talking about one crime to conceal another does not make any sense at all.

[maggie]

How on earth could one crime conceal another crime. Forgive me for being blunt. But that reasoning doesn't make sense?

Sounds good Grahame/Susan just doesn't really mean anything 

[Jane]

Sounds good Grahame/Susan just doesn't really mean anything 

How's about "Full of sound and fury and signifying NOTHING"? I think that's a fairly appropriate and accurate fit, don't you :D

[maggie]

How's about "Full of sound and fury and signifying NOTHING"? I think that's a fairly appropriate and accurate fit, don't you :D

Pretty damn appropriate, April. 

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy did not own up to the Osea Road burglary until he realized Julie had told the Police about it. Remember at  this stage under interrogation Jeremy has no exact knowledge of what was in Julie's statement. But we do know a little of Jeremy's mindset when he told Julie "it's important to tell the truth as much as possible" after Police had left Goldhanger that first day.

[campion]

Just fancy, Injudicious Julie bragging to "Loose Lips (coppers nark) Liz RIMINGTON", about her shopping 'Spree' with her mate, and the Caravan Site break-in with her bloke, who as it happened, had apparently been 'shagging' said Liz, who was already familiar with 'ace 'tec' Stan 'the Brain' Jones.

The brain boggles when Liz is associated with the Blaggards, possibly via Mr Cock, the accountant.

One simply could not make this up!

             "THE TRUTH NEVER SLEEPS, EVER".   - MRDavies.

[Nickos]

The family were killed AFTER the call - deliberations on how serious the situation was would have come BEFORE and as none of us know how things panned out just BEFORE the shootings, you can't say what is or isn't relevant.

Only in your scenario (and no need to shout) - there was no call, so how could they be killed after it? - I believe all the family (including Sheila) were killed well before 3am by Bamber.

I cannot, and simply will not, accept that Nevill would have left an emotional girl with a loaded gun - I am gob smacked that anyone can accept this.

Or that anyone can accept Nevill asking his son over to face an armed person - that has gone crazy - surely you must see my point here.

Nevill would have disarmed Sheila first (if any of this happened of course which it didn't) protecting her not only from herself first, but also all those apparently still alive (which of course they weren't)

The whole story from Bamber is made up, and it's clear to me at least that it is due to the points I have raised on this subject, plus there is no proof to corroborate his story - so game over - Bamber stays in!

[Nickos]

Hi Tyler, I agree -

1)if Nevill thought that Sheila was a danger only to herself (ie. not threatening ANYONE else with the rifle/shot gun), then he may have sort 'non-professional' help - not wanting his daughter to face yet another hospital stay.

2)The guiltiers NEVER offer up a reason WHY Sheila's prints were found on the shot gun - perhaps Nickos would like to offer an explanation why ONLY Sheila's and Nevill's prints were found?

Absolute rubbish! Only a danger to herself - unbelievable, so leave her alone, on her own, having gone crazy with a loaded gun - this thinking is off the planet - He would have tried to disarm her.

But this again is irrelevant to me as Nevill never left Sheila alone with a gun, or made a phone call to Bamber - as they were all dead!

As for your second point, why should we give you an explanation why Sheilas prints were found on the SHOTGUN (as opposed to the rifle).

You give us your explanation and I will reply.

[Adam]

I have condemned Julie for that,or any other interested parties who stood to gain if the verdict went the other way for that matter..

I don't really condem Julie for this. It is how things are done in high profile trials. The press would have hounded her. If she ignored them they would have hounded her mother & friends.

She was naturally quite pretty but looked slutty in the article. Mind you it was the NOTW.

[Adam]

Only in your scenario (and no need to shout) - there was no call, so how could they be killed after it? - I believe all the family (including Sheila) were killed well before 3am by Bamber.

I cannot, and simply will not, accept that Nevill would have left an emotional girl with a loaded gun - I am gob smacked that anyone can accept this.

Or that anyone can accept Nevill asking his son over to face an armed person - that has gone crazy - surely you must see my point here.

Nevill would have disarmed Sheila first (if any of this happened of course which it didn't) protecting her not only from herself first, but also all those apparently still alive (which of course they weren't)

The whole story from Bamber is made up, and it's clear to me at least that it is due to the points I have raised on this subject, plus there is no proof to corroborate his story - so game over - Bamber stays in!

I have said several times there was no call from Neville & gave 19 reasons why Neville would not phone Jeremy. The judge called the alledged phone call mysterious.

[Nickos]

Doesn't this cast doubt on the rest of the case in your opinion?
      Once you accept that it is not a one gun crime then surely the rest of the prosecution case melts away .
    So much of the prosecution case relies on the killings being a one gun crime that once you accept there was more than one gun used that night the prosecution falls apart . It also gives a more sinister twist to Antony Pargeter's contradictory statements regarding the whereabouts of his own rifle that night . It certainly at least hints towards collusion between AP and EP to be able to present the one gun crime scenario upon which they relied in court .
     Does the fabricated ballistic evidence not raise further and disturbing questions to challenge your views on the case ?

Isn't this also the stance of the defence - I don't recall them putting up a multi-gun counter scenario.

You can't simply blame a one gun scenario on the prosecution.

[gringo]

Isn't this also the stance of the defence - I don't recall them putting up a multi-gun counter scenario.

You can't simply blame a one gun scenario on the prosecution.

Who else can you blame it on ?