The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

It may not have been your point but it is and remains the most important fact.

For now, but it's beginning to look as if the walls maybe starting to crumble. IMO, the basis of the case was formed on secrets, lies and agendas and Jeremy was only a baby when it started.

[gringo]

In the eyes of the law Jeremy is guilty and still remains guilty.

What a pointless reply, we wouldn't be discussing the case on this forum otherwise.
   

[Jan]

In the eyes of the law Jeremy is guilty and still remains guilty.

So was Sion Jenkins. So what is your point?

In the eyes of the law - is not the same as the absolute truth .

[lookout]

For now, but it's beginning to look as if the walls maybe starting to crumble. IMO, the basis of the case was formed on secrets, lies and agendas and Jeremy was only a baby when it started.

Hence the extra pressure from those who say that he's guilty. Plus the offering of new evidence to the CCRC,,which,if I'm right,,won't be going down too well.

[curiousessex]

One can have an undiagnosed mental illness for years,but there has to be signs at some point in their lives,,and if Jeremy was one of these people,there would have been the smallest sign which would have shown itself before now.
 Even if there'd been a possibility of him having committed the murders, in all these years,there'd have been an indication of a mental illness,especially as there are cameras 24/7 surveying behaviours and interactions with others.

Let me get this correct..... so in your opinion the only person who could have comitted such killings would have to be a person who has a mental illness.

In my opinion such logic is insulting and shows a lack of consideration to anyone who may be suffering from any mental illness.

[guest154]

 Plus the offering of new evidence to the CCRC,,which,if I'm right,,won't be going down too well.

Oh please. 

[Jan]

Let me get this correct..... so in your opinion the only person who could have comitted such killings would have to be a person who has a mental illness.

In my opinion such logic is insulting and shows a lack of consideration to anyone who may be suffering from any mental illness.

I think if you read all the posts on here you will find that there is a huge amount of sympathy and empathy with people with mental illness. It is only when it is attributed to JB that people point out SC recorded medical history.And as a lot of posters have family with similar illnesses I find your post quite insulting.

[curiousessex]

So was Sion Jenkins. So what is your point?

In the eyes of the law - is not the same as the absolute truth .

I have no problem with Jeremy proving he is innocent and being successful in overturning his conviction.

In fact I have listened to Mike and admitted openly on this forum that in my opinion Mike can prove Jeremy to be innocent.

According to Mike he has the ammunition and evidence to have Jeremy immediately released. For some reason Mike chooses to play games with the information he says he has and which is at his disposal.

Even I will admit again the photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single gun shot wound to the neck will destroy the case of the prosecution. Why keep and restrict such information for so many years when an allegedly innocent man continues to remain in prison.

[nugnug]

April. that is why I was surprised that Steve admitted that the ballistics convinced him that it wasn't a one gun crime as portrayed by the prosecution. He hasn't thought through the consequences that this has on the prosecution case . He seems to believe that you can remove whole chunks of the official narrative without consequences on the rest of the story.
    As I said this is naivete or wilful blindness or quite possibly a bit of both.

if any of the offial narrative isnt true that means the conviction is unsafe.

[Jane]

Let me get this correct..... so in your opinion the only person who could have comitted such killings would have to be a person who has a mental illness.

In my opinion such logic is insulting and shows a lack of consideration to anyone who may be suffering from any mental illness.

I think your opinion misplaced. There are those here who have vast knowledge of and have nursed those with mental illness. You will find no lack of either understanding or consideration amongst them.

[gringo]

Let me get this correct..... so in your opinion the only person who could have comitted such killings would have to be a person who has a mental illness.

In my opinion such logic is insulting and shows a lack of consideration to anyone who may be suffering from any mental illness.

Lookout doesn't actually say that though and anyway are you the spokesperson for all mentally ill people.
   Lookout was replying to the charge made by guilters that JB is a psychopath and pointing out that tests showed that this opinion is not supported by evidence . Don't contrive offence on behalf of others if you can't even be bothered to keep context.

[curiousessex]

I think if you read all the posts on here you will find that there is a huge amount of sympathy and empathy with people with mental illness. It is only when it is attributed to JB that people point out SC recorded medical history.And as a lot of posters have family with similar illnesses I find your post quite insulting.

I am sorry if you feel insulted. My post was merely seeking clarification on your opinion based on the previous post you had made.

For the sake of clarity -

Do you believe only a person with a mental illness could have been responsible for the events that occurred at White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985?

[nugnug]

Hence the extra pressure from those who say that he's guilty. Plus the offering of new evidence to the CCRC,,which,if I'm right,,won't be going down too well.

no your right lookout it wont.

[curiousessex]

Lookout doesn't actually say that though and anyway are you the spokesperson for all mentally ill people.
   Lookout was replying to the charge made by guilters that JB is a psychopath and pointing out that tests showed that this opinion is not supported by evidence . Don't contrive offence on behalf of others if you can't even be bothered to keep context.

No I am not a spokesperson for the mentally ill. In fact I have no qualifications to be so and do not claim to have.

However in my opinion whether Jeremy is or is not a psychopath or sociopath does not mean Jeremy is guilty or not guilty of having been heavily involved in the committing of the murders. The two things are not interdependent.

[gringo]

if any of the offial narrative isnt true that means the conviction is unsafe.

True Nugs, and fabrication on the scale that Steve now agrees took place makes the conviction not only unsafe,but a perversion of the course of justice.
    Unsafe can mean that new evidence has come to light which sheds doubt . How do you pass off the wholesale fabrication of the ballistics as a "mistake" ?