The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Roch]

I have seen the money trail video.

I do not condone what happened post Jeremy being found guilty. These are post event events and would never have occurred had the killings not happened.

The money trail video does not alter the fact Jeremy is the first person in the whole world to know something has happened a White House Farm. How does Jeremy know?

If you believe Nevill rang Jeremy then you believe Jeremy and his version of events whilst also allowing him leeway in getting the credibilities of his rstory incorrect.

If you believe the credibilities of his story regarding the alleged telephone calls are incorrect then in my opinion you need to start asking questions regarding Jeremy's self proclaimed innocence.

I can see your approach and can remember your take on the case from previous postings. I think what you regard as inaccurate, others might regard as adulterated to fit a purpose. Surely Jeremy Bamber cannot alter the pathologist's findings re blood on Sheila's palms or there having been no rifle on the body before it is on the body, as per the observations of raid team member etc. Jeremy Bamber puts nevill's and Sheila's fingerprints on the shotgun also?

[Jane]

april quite right I have many young farmers from comfortable backgrouds in my area and this is exactly what they do sow wild oats all over Scotland then marry when they are maybe 30 have children then the cycle starts again.  This is the way they are brought up.

Susan, I feel very strongly that much of the problem with Steve's thesis is that he has NO concept of how other strata of society life their lives, NOR what counts as "normal" for others. It feels as if what doesn't fit with his own concepts is wrong, which maybe why he tries so hard to shoehorn Julie into it. He presents her as a woman who spends every day, if not on her knees in the confessional, being of service to others. Maybe this is how he finds it in him to forgive her.

[curiousessex]

I can see your approach and can remember your take on the case from previous postings. I think what you regard as inaccurate, others might regard as adulterated to fit a purpose. Surely Jeremy Bamber cannot alter the pathologist's findings re blood on Sheila's palms or there having been no rifle on the body before it is on the body, as per the observations of raid team member etc. Jeremy Bamber puts nevill's and Sheila's fingerprints on the shotgun also?

Of course Jeremy Bamber cannot alter the fact the police messed up their initial actions in relation to the events that Jeremy had reported regarding White Hosue Farm whilst naming his sister with the gun.

Just like Jeremy cannot alter the fact there were very few finger prints (one from Jeremy and one from Sheila) on the rifle Jeremy had admittedly handled the previous evening without wearing gloves and later had been allegedly used by Sheila in the slaying of four family members plus her suicide. Why would Sheila wipe the rifle clean when she is going to commit suicide with it........ to frame Jeremy in anticipation of Jeremy ringing the police?

[Steve_uk]

Susan, I feel very strongly that much of the problem with Steve's thesis is that he has NO concept of how other strata of society life their lives, NOR what counts as "normal" for others. It feels as if what doesn't fit with his own concepts is wrong, which maybe why he tries so hard to shoehorn Julie into it. He presents her as a woman who spends every day, if not on her knees in the confessional, being of service to others. Maybe this is how he finds it in him to forgive her.

As far as I'm aware Julie stayed loyal to Jeremy for almost two years. No wonder she felt badly let down.

[lookout]

As far as I'm aware Julie stayed loyal to Jeremy for almost two years. No wonder she felt badly let down.

Steve,there's no law stating that you must " carry on courting ". No rings were involved,no promises or vows.Jeremy was quite at liberty to do as he pleased. It would seem as though that also was a punishable offence which was added into the trial for good measure.
SHE felt let down What about Jeremy ?

[susan]

steve yes you are right Julie was a woman scorned.  What Jeremy Bamber did to her was not right but what she did to him was appalling and not an excuse for him cheating on her I must admit at the onset I don't think she meant it to go as far as it did but she was at a point of no return her survival became her number one.

[Jane]

As far as I'm aware Julie stayed loyal to Jeremy for almost two years. No wonder she felt badly let down.

Yes Steve, her desire for the much bigger prize seemingly outweighed her principles. I reiterate: Had he put a ring of enough value on her finger she'd have said NOTHING.

[susan]

april think a small ring would have done the trick

[Jane]

april think a small ring would have done the trick

As long as it was platinum, Susan

[susan]

april absolutely all the farmers wives I know wear platinum and drive Range Rovers

[maggie]

That may be the case but I am not qualified to say one way or another.

However, it is the case that all psychopathic / sociopathic individuals remain undiagnosed as such until the time as they have been diagnosed. Surely they do not suddenly become psychopathic / sociopathic but have always been so but have remained undiagnosed.

Given the problem what has emoting got to do with psychopathic / sociopathic tendencies?

A question .... would Adolf Hitler (a man who emoted so well a whole nation where inspired by him and elected him to power by the democratic vote) be classed as a psychopath / sociopath?

I would have thought that 27+ stringent test by eminent psychologists would have thrown up at least a hint of some sort of personality disorder or mental health disorder but in fact nothing has ever showed up.  I don't understand you question about  emoting, one of the main features of psychopathy/sociopathy./narcissism is the inability of people suffering these disorders to emote.
Adolf Hitler knew how to press the right buttons addressing a crowd and was no doubt a great manipulator do you need to be a  psychopath to be a  megalomaniac? He had other people,  thugs ?psychopaths?  to do his dirty work therefore we aren't sure whether he personally could emote or not and he was never tested for psychopathy, on the other hand Jeremy Bamber has been.

[Jane]

I would have thought that 27+ stringent test by eminent psychologists would have thrown up at least a hint of some sort of personality disorder or mental health disorder but in fact nothing has ever showed up.  I don't understand you question about  emoting, one of the main features of psychopathy/sociopathy./narcissism is the inability of people suffering these disorders to emote.
Adolf Hitler knew how to press the right buttons addressing a crowd and was no doubt a great manipulator do you need to be a  psychopath to be a  megalomaniac? He had other people,  thugs ?psychopaths?  to do his dirty work therefore we aren't sure whether he personally could emote or not and he was never tested for psychopathy, on the other hand Jeremy Bamber has been.

Maggie, a rider to the above. It always amazes me that whilst 27+ professionals have found nothing amiss regarding Jeremy's personality -and one has to accept that between them they have a modicum of understanding of unnatural psychopathy- we have here those will little OR in some cases NO understanding but they insist that the professionals have got it wrong.

[curiousessex]

I would have thought that 27+ stringent test by eminent psychologists would have thrown up at least a hint of some sort of personality disorder or mental health disorder but in fact nothing has ever showed up.  I don't understand you question about  emoting, one of the main features of psychopathy/sociopathy./narcissism is the inability of people suffering these disorders to emote.
Adolf Hitler knew how to press the right buttons addressing a crowd and was no doubt a great manipulator do you need to be a  psychopath to be a  megalomaniac? He had other people,  thugs ?psychopaths?  to do his dirty work therefore we aren't sure whether he personally could emote or not and he was never tested for psychopathy, on the other hand Jeremy Bamber has been.

So whatever Adolf Hitler may or may not have been in terms of any potential mental health issues he still did what he did?

The possibilty of Jeremy being diagnosed with one thing or another whether that be a mental health disorder or a personality trait does not mean he did or did not commit or was involved in any killings. The two things (a diagnosis and the killings) are not conclusively linked.

[guest154]

Maggie, a rider to the above. It always amazes me that whilst 27+ professionals have found nothing amiss regarding Jeremy's personality -and one has to accept that between them they have a modicum of understanding of unnatural psychopathy- we have here those will little OR in some cases NO understanding but they insist that the professionals have got it wrong.

Bambers site claims that 27 tests have been carried out and nothing has been found. No evidence of this actually being true has ever been presented and there is a lot of rubbish on the Bamber website so I wouldn't jump to the belief that what you're quoting is actually even true.

[maggie]

Maggie, a rider to the above. It always amazes me that whilst 27+ professionals have found nothing amiss regarding Jeremy's personality -and one has to accept that between them they have a modicum of understanding of unnatural psychopathy- we have here those will little OR in some cases NO understanding but they insist that the professionals have got it wrong.

Imo they have to insist Jerremy Bamber is a psychopath/sociopath in order for their theories to make any sort of sense.  It is VERY hard to believe that anyone other than someone with a severe personality disorder would be capableofo carrying out such horrendous crimes on their nearest and dearest and then coolly turn up and meet the police outside the farmhouse a couple of hours later.  So we hear that JB is some sort of super psychopath who can deceive the most practiced and experienced psychologists, can pass the tests that check he isn't hiding his psychopathy and generally have never shown any violence in any way to anyone in his life even to the point he's called a 'pansy' by some of his extended rellies because of his hatred of killing anything.