The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Steve_uk]

whose job has been made doubly difficult by Jeremy witnessing first hand how religion affected the lives of his mother and sister.

[Steve_uk]

As you accept that it was not a one gun crime and base this on different size entry wounds , how do you not understand the relevance of Sheila's fingerprints on Nevill's shotgun?
   

Because the Prosecution scenario is that Jeremy staged the scene to suit his own ends.

[Jane]

Jeremy never confessed,which would totally absolve Julie from the latest vitriol here and set Colin's mind at rest. As the Christmas season is upon us I think this is a task for a religious man,a man of the cloth..

Why would he need to Steve? According to Julie, she'd known Just what he had planned for the best part of a year. She must have been sick of hearing it. Might her take on it have been something like implicitly suggesting that he go for what ever it was he was telling her he was planning, kind of like, if we get sick of arguing a point with you, we may say "Yeah Yeah Steve, whatever you say."

[Jane]

Because the Prosecution scenario is that Jeremy staged the scene to suit his own ends.

No NO Steve!!! That's you bending all evidence and testimony to suit your needs!!!

[lookout]

I just think that Jeremy was so immature back then that he said things,for the sake of it, to see what sort of a reaction he got.

[lookout]

I just think that Jeremy was so immature back then that he said things,for the sake of it, to see what sort of a reaction he got.

I'm also sure that if anyone shouted " boo " to him,that he'd jump out of his skin. I think that his flings with older women made him feel more of a man. Then again,it usually indicates that they're looking for a " motherly " figure. Although when the tragedy occurred,he had little choice but to phone JM,as at that juncture,  he had no-one else.

[Jane]

I just think that Jeremy was so immature back then that he said things,for the sake of it, to see what sort of a reaction he got.

Lookout. show off that I feel certain he was, I feel equally certain that the thought his rather, at times, crude behaviour, would impress others. It probably impressed him.

[Steve_uk]

Morning Grahame , it is quite likely that the shotgun was used and there is evidence to support this scenario. Different size entry wounds on the victims indicate most strongly that more than one type of ammunition was used that night. Sheila's prints on the shotgun show that she handled it at some stage and the evidence trail of the ballistics evidence shows quite clearly that EP switched crime scene ammunition.
      Steve UK foolishly admitted last night that after reading Hunter he now accepts that the premise of the one gun crime scenario to be false. I don't think he has thought through what the consequences of this admission are to the credibility of the prosecution case .
     As for there being no evidence of a shotgun being used, you can be sure that if EP had needed the shotgun to have been used to implicate JB then there would have been evidence to show this. To find prints on the shotgun indicates that police thought it's use likely or why test it in the first place ?
         I would like to see the ballistics evidence used for SC/688/85 when it was regarded as suicide plus four murders because it cannot be the same as that later presented.
       There is a reason the ballistics evidence was destroyed by EP in 1996.
     

I was probably one of the first to read Hunter,but as Caroline stated in a recent post it's not gospel  just because he was an MP,though one would assume that you had your facts right before you stood up in the House of Commons.  It was the anschutz which was found lying atop Sheila's body and the anschutz which had been left loaded the night before around the settle area and I can't see what material difference a second gun makes if you believe that Jeremy was plotting to kill his family for almost a year..

[susan]

steve I think Julie is more in need of a man of the cloth for her to confess her sins of sending an innocent man to prison for a crime she knew he did not commit.  She sold her soul for £25.000 and all criminal charges against her dropped and actually left the Court smiling knowing 5 people had lost their lives for her to achieve what she did.

[lookout]

Lookout. show off that I feel certain he was, I feel equally certain that the thought his rather, at times, crude behaviour, would impress others. It probably impressed him.

Yes,he was a show-off,April,,which would have indicated immaturity. All done to impress,,or try to,,but at the same time,a harmless individual.

[Steve_uk]

I'm also sure that if anyone shouted " boo " to him,that he'd jump out of his skin. I think that his flings with older women made him feel more of a man. Then again,it usually indicates that they're looking for a " motherly " figure. Although when the tragedy occurred,he had little choice but to phone JM,as at that juncture,  he had no-one else.

I agree with the first part,but why did he say "all is going well" in telephone call number 2..

[curiousessex]

steve I think Julie is more in need of a man of the cloth for her to confess her sins of sending an innocent man to prison for a crime she knew he did not commit.  She sold her soul for £25.000 and all criminal charges against her dropped and actually left the Court smiling knowing 5 people had lost their lives for her to achieve what she did.

Jeremy had an even bigger deal with a newspaper. Jeremy knew 5 members of his adopted family had lost their lives at, according to his version of events, the hand of his unwell sister.

Yet Jeremy was prepared to sell the memory of all their innocent and lost lives for his own self gratifying profit.

What excuses could be made for such possible character traits?

[Steve_uk]

I actually think that Sheila realised that it would be a greater sound coming from a shotgun ?,,hence her having held it before changing her mind,,though it would have appeared as though it had been fired at some point. I'm not conversant at all with either shotgun or rifle,but because that first injury to Sheilas' neck was not a whole bullet,,could it have been ammunition fired from a shotgun,,which Sheila originally had hold of ?

I think people on this site should wise up about schizophrenia,get past the connotations of that word and stop associating things nigh on impossible for an individual with this condition in a state of psychosis to have engendered.

[Jane]

I agree with the first part,but why did he say "all is going well" in telephone call number 2..

Of course the is only Julie to confirm that those were the exact words spoken.

[Jane]

I think people on this site should wise up about schizophrenia,get past the connotations of that word and stop associating things nigh on impossible for an individual with this condition in a state of psychosis to have engendered.

Ever the smart-a**e with the overblown sense of his own superiority, eh Steve?