The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

Well I must admit that thought did cross my mind,but reading Dr. Ferguson's statements only recently and his further handwritten ones at the request of the Police I believe the doctor to have made an accurate diagnosis,which certainly did not involve Sheila perpetrating any harm whatsoever to her boys.

And how has your own experience of dealing with people who are mentally ill led you to this conclusion?

[Steve_uk]

No not at least. Just one. It also included one fingerprint from Sheila. I wonder how that got there?

If Sheila ran amok with a gun I would have thought there would be numerous fingerprints of hers on the murder weapon. The Jeremy supporters really haven't thought this through. Far more likely a scenario is Julie's evidence that Jeremy wiped the gun after one of his gloves came off in the fight with Nevill,then when Jeremy placed the rifle in Sheila's hand(my scenario) one of her prints was left.

[Jane]

If Sheila ran amok witha gun I would have thought there would be numerous fingerprints of hers on the murder weapon. The Jeremy supporters really haven't thought this through. Far more likely a scenario is Julie's evidence that Jeremy wiped the gun after one of his gloves came off in the fight with Nevill,then when Jeremy placed the rifle in Sheila's hand(my scenario) one of her prints was left.

Or more likely still that the plods obliterated most discernible fingerprints..................as you're probably aware.

[Jane]

Well I must admit that thought did cross my mind,but reading Dr. Ferguson's statements only recently and his further handwritten ones at the request of the Police I believe the doctor to have made an accurate diagnosis,which certainly did not involve Sheila perpetrating any harm whatsoever to her boys.

In would still like to know how you can possibly call ACCURATE, ANYTHING save a persons age and sex, said of them 18 weeks prior to their death. Every statement would HAVE to be qualified with "On the last occasion I saw/ spoke....................."

[Steve_uk]

And how has your own experience of dealing with people who are mentally ill led you to this conclusion?

He sounds an honest person,as do many others connected with the case,unlike Jeremy's legerdemain in and out of the courtroom.

[Jane]

He sounds an honest person,as do many others connected with the case,unlike Jeremy's legerdemain in and out of the courtroom.

"He sounds like an honest person................"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soooooooo sophisticated. Soooooooooo intellectual. C'mon Steve, I know it's close to end of term but I expect better from you.

[Steve_uk]

"He sounds like an honest person................"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soooooooo sophisticated. Soooooooooo intellectual. C'mon Steve, I know it's close to end of term but I expect better from you.

I wasn't there at trial.But that is what a trial is based upon.

[Steve_uk]

Still wondering how you think Sheila's prints got on the shotgun Steve?

Jeremy placed her fingers on the gun after the first shot. Or it could have been immediately after death.

[Jane]

I wasn't there at trial.But that is what a trial is based upon.

But he didn't actually say that the last time he'd seen her was 18 weeks prior to death. That's pretty close to lying by omission in my book, especially from a professional.

[Steve_uk]

Not the rifle Steve!! The SHOTGUN??

Well do make it explicit. Jeremy had time to fix the scene as he wanted,whether it was tossing a bible onto the body,digging one of Sheila's false nails from her vanity bag into Nevill's flesh or placing her hand on the shotgun after death. He had many months to plan things out(Stage 4 of catathymic crisis)..

[Jane]

Well do make it explicit. Jeremy had time to fix the scene as he wanted,whether it was tossing a bible onto the body,digging one of Sheila's false nails from her vanity bag into Nevill's flesh or placing her hand on the shotgun after death. He had many months to plan things out(Stage 4 of catathymic crisis)..

I feel quite certain that if you or I search hard enough we'll find a syndrome suffered by those who have a deep need to find evidence, however implausible, to fit ludicrous scenarios of their own making.  Sadly, like all personality disorders, there's no cure

[Jan]

Well do make it explicit. Jeremy had time to fix the scene as he wanted,whether it was tossing a bible onto the body,digging one of Sheila's false nails from her vanity bag into Nevill's flesh or placing her hand on the shotgun after death. He had many months to plan things out(Stage 4 of catathymic crisis)..

?? are you serious? He would plan all that and still make the mistake of telling his girlfriend everything and leaving a silencer  in the house for the relatives to find - why on earth would he put her prints on the shotgun when it was not used in the final shootings?

[susan]

steve I think for a man who is supposed to be educated your choice of words is appalling.  What is your personal problem here as I have said so many times Jeremy is serving life for murder what more do you want.

[Alias]

Well do make it explicit. Jeremy had time to fix the scene as he wanted,whether it was tossing a bible onto the body,digging one of Sheila's false nails from her vanity bag into Nevill's flesh or placing her hand on the shotgun after death. He had many months to plan things out(Stage 4 of catathymic crisis)..

 

[grahameb]

If Sheila ran amok witha gun I would have thought there would be numerous fingerprints of hers on the murder weapon. The Jeremy supporters really haven't thought this through. Far more likely a scenario is Julie's evidence that Jeremy wiped the gun after one of his gloves came off in the fight with Nevill,then when Jeremy placed the rifle in Sheila's hand(my scenario) one of her prints was left.

I don't think you have either. If there were no fingerprints on the gun then it must have been the police who wiped them off. Why? Because (1) there was only one of Sheila's and one of Jeremy's. If Jeremy wanted to pin the murder on Sheila it would have been an easy matter for him to wipe his off and print hers on the gun. (2) He had been handling the gun that night and had admitted so doing. Therefore what would be the point of wiping his prints off. (3) There was one other print on the gun, that of a police officer. Just one mind. Now that points to the police as having wiped the gun of prints. Now why would they have done that you may ask? Theory: Because they had handled the gun much more than they confessed to have done. Just ponder the first and second points and give me an answer to them.