The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Nickos]

If it was to get support or help and I didn't think there was an immediate danger - of course!!

Your statement relates to a situation where there was no immediate danger, so is not relevant to this situation.

Clearly there was an immediate danger "sheila has gone crazy and has got the gun" and all the family were killed - how immediate and dangerous do you want a situation to be 

Would you also encourage a member of your family over to face the danger of someone with a gun?

This point clearly urks me as to believe one would phone someone in this situation - immediate and dangerous - and bring another person (JB) into such a position - one is on another planet.

JB's lie (the alleged call from Nevill) has many flaws in this made up scenario.



 

[Nickos]

Hi Nickos, I accept that your reasoning has lead you to the conclusion JB is guilty however, it is only your opinion based on the evidence we know. It is just as easy to believe there is a reasonable possibility of doubt based on available evidence. You can state that the phone call categorically didn't happen but you cannot prove it.
Its true JB is in prison and has been for 28 years so why argue his guilt, he's where you want him to be, so what's the argument?  Is it that you are not as certain as you claim to be and your argument is more about keeping yourself convinced than others?
No offence Nick but JB is one of the most securely locked up prisoners in this country and without a miracle will probably remain that way for the rest of his life. Isn't there a teeny weeny doubt that a young man incarcerated at 24 years old and sentenced to the rest of his life in prison may, just may be as innocent as he claims to be?. Have you seriously considered what a disaster this is for him if he is in fact innocent?

Hi Nickos,   I accept that your reasoning has lead you to the conclusion JB is guilty however, it is only your opinion based on the evidence we know.

Maggie are you basing your reasoning on evidence we don't know?

Hi Maggie,

Just catching up.

You didn't answer my question above?

[lookout]

The situation was made more dangerous by those who " knew " of Jeremys' intentions,,allegedly.

[susan]

lookout Well I do declare Adam has been rumbled.  Please elaborate as I am interested

[lookout]

lookout Well I do declare Adam has been rumbled.  Please elaborate as I am interested

He of a few ID's,.Susan. Must think I came up the river on me bike. I tread with trepidation when I see a " new face ".

[susan]

HaHaHa lookout or that you fell off a flitting as we say in Yorkshire, or up the Clyde in a banana boat as they say in Scotland

[tyler]

The evidence appears to suggest that there was some kind of "situation" that included Nevill,Sheila and Nevill's shotgun round about midnight when a witness hears gunshots coming from the area of whf. And of course the fingerprints of both of them were found on the shotgun. It may be that Sheila locked herself in the downstairs bathroom with the rifle and was in a state of psychosis. Nevill,unable to get in the bathroom and worried for her safety may have asked Jeremy to the farm knowing that he could open that bathroom window? Whilst Nevill was speaking to Jeremy,Sheila may have come out the bathroom,gone upstairs and begun shooting at June which caused Nevill to drop the phone and run upstairs where he to was shot. Just a possibility?

[lookout]

That does indeed seem very likely,tyler.

[lookout]

By Sheilas' own admission to Doctor Ferguson,,she told him how fearful she was that the twins would kill her,,or her own fear that she would kill them. I'm surprised that the doctor dismissed both these terms of speech which are very real when the patient happens to suffer from a debilitating mental illness. What Sheila had said should have been taken as a " threat " because if I'd been the doctor after events unfolded at the farmhouse,I'd have said straight away without a shadow of a doubt,that Sheila had committed the murders while in a psychotic state.
The doctor even admitted himself that the mention of the twins being fostered would have " tipped her over the edge ".
Sadly,this case only points one way,and that's to poor Sheila with her tortured mind. If only the system hadn't let her and her family down. Because it did,,,abysmally.

[Jane]

I guess if Dr F had admitted that Sheila was a threat to anyone, questions would be asked about why more wasn't done to prevent the tragedy - like who sanctioned the reduced dosage in her meds. They all stick together in a crisis!!

Caroline, I was about to say that if Sheila had been the threat she feared herself to be, not only was Dr F's diagnosis SERIOUSLY wrong, but her mental state was contributed to ny those mucked up meds. I feel certain they would have taken the view that "dumbing down" was the best course of action, ESPECIALLY if the only lay person to know the extent of her illness was Sheila herself.

[Jan]

The evidence appears to suggest that there was some kind of "situation" that included Nevill,Sheila and Nevill's shotgun round about midnight when a witness hears gunshots coming from the area of whf. And of course the fingerprints of both of them were found on the shotgun. It may be that Sheila locked herself in the downstairs bathroom with the rifle and was in a state of psychosis. Nevill,unable to get in the bathroom and worried for her safety may have asked Jeremy to the farm knowing that he could open that bathroom window? Whilst Nevill was speaking to Jeremy,Sheila may have come out the bathroom,gone upstairs and begun shooting at June which caused Nevill to drop the phone and run upstairs where he to was shot. Just a possibility?

Yes this does seem logical to me . Then when he realised what was happening he may have been trying to get down to the phone again to get more help.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Tyler, I agree - if Nevill thought that Sheila was a danger only to herself (ie. not threatening ANYONE else with the rifle/shot gun), then he may have sort 'non-professional' help - not wanting his daughter to face yet another hospital stay. The guiltiers NEVER offer up a reason WHY Sheila's prints were found on the shot gun - perhaps Nickos would like to offer an explanation why ONLY Sheila's and Nevill's prints were found?

I think you may be confusing a shotgun which Nevill usually kept under the bed with the murder weapon which did include at least one  fingerprint from Jeremy.

[susan]

steve let me tell you tyler does not make mistakes she is far ahead of you or I on this case and it will pay you to take notice of her Sheila's and Nevill's prints were found on the SHOTGUN.

[Steve_uk]

I guess if Dr F had admitted that Sheila was a threat to anyone, questions would be asked about why more wasn't done to prevent the tragedy - like who sanctioned the reduced dosage in her meds. They all stick together in a crisis!!

Well I must admit that thought did cross my mind,but reading Dr. Ferguson's statements only recently and his further handwritten ones at the request of the Police I believe the doctor to have made an accurate diagnosis,which certainly did not involve Sheila perpetrating any harm whatsoever to her boys.

[grahameb]

I think you may be confusing a shotgun which Nevill usually kept under the bed with the murder weapon which did include at least one  fingerprint from Jeremy.

No not at least. Just one. It also included one fingerprint from Sheila. I wonder how that got there?