The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Hi lookout I was led to believe it was Ann Eaton who said the police had told her they were both found on the bed.

[Jane]

Hi lookout I was led to believe it was Ann Eaton who said the police had told her they were both found on the bed.

And AE must have been in their company and asking questions for several hours before JM arrived.

[lookout]

Hi lookout I was led to believe it was Ann Eaton who said the police had told her they were both found on the bed.

You wouldn't really know,Susan,,because AE would have been covering for the cop who originally told her,or how would she have known ? They were all covering each other it seems. Then JM was right up the backsides of those who protected her. Didn't AE try and deny the fact at trial,,that she knew the bodies were on the bed ?

[tyler]

Lookout,AE told Mugford about June and Sheila allegedly being found on the bed. A copper told this to AE. I forget his name,Mike would remember. I personally believe that it was also AE that gave her the info about the windows and Nevill's alleged massive fight in the kitchen.AE and RWB were gleaning all the info from coppers,possibly Robert Carr? Mugford never told anything to police that she hadn't learned from the relatives or the papers and that is why I do not believe her story.

[Jane]

Lookout,AE told Mugford about June and Sheila allegedly being found on the bed. A copper told this to AE. I forget his name,Mike would remember. I personally believe that it was also AE that gave her the info about the windows and Nevill's alleged massive fight in the kitchen.AE and RWB were gleaning all the info from coppers,possibly Robert Carr? Mugford never told anything to police that she hadn't learned from the relatives or the papers and that is why I do not believe her story.

I thought the policeman's name was DI Clarke

[grahameb]

Who was it that told JM that Sheila and June were found on the bed ? Ann Eaton,or the police ?

A policeman told Ann Eaton but she cannot recall who.

[Adam]

518. To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give. From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet. For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor. In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force. Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled. He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect. Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress.519. Having studied with care the statement of Mr Ismail, we concluded that this was expert evidence capable of belief. Indeed if it had been given and if cross-examination had not revealed flaws in it (which we consider unlikely bearing in mind that there was no application to call any expert evidence to contradict it), had we been on a jury hearing such evidence we might well have been very impressed by it. That evidence in itself could have led to a conclusion of guilt quite apart from the many other matters relied upon by the prosecution at trial. However, we were not satisfied that evidence of this kind was not available at the date of trial if the prosecution had sought to explore these matters and more importantly we thought that Mr Turner was right in his submission that it was very difficult to gauge with sufficient certainty the reaction of a jury to it particularly when we could not judge it against all the related evidence in the trial, which we had not heard.

[Jane]

 

[Adam]

Sorry, I have to go by what the appeal court judges said in their verdict.

I see no reason why the police would move Sheila from the bed to the floor prior to photos being taken. They are not stupid. The appeal judges did not suggest the police had done this Although they did move the gun.

Will be happy to be proved wrong with documentation, just like I have just provided documentation.

[lookout]

A policeman told Ann Eaton but she cannot recall who.

That's right,Grahame,,but she remembered everything else that she was prompted to remember.

[susan]

april great post from Adam best yet

[Adam]

What's the betting that Adam refuses to engage with your point, or any of the many other points raised by others  which clearly demonstrate police tampering of the scene, and instead gives us another ripping yarn which ignores the known facts and instead relies upon supposition and conjecture 

Who is this ?  I do not recognise this name in the 140 pages of this thread.

I have contributed on virtually all pages on this thread. Answering everyones questions, putting my views across & submitting new information.

[Adam]

april great post from Adam best yet

Thank you Susan.

[Adam]

Grahame when the police came crashing in at WHF they did not treat it as a crime scene as it was 4 murders one suicide.  Nothing would have been preserved as such the whole thing was a total shambles even burning carpets etc.  I am of the opinion the only people who know what happened is EP and they aint for telling

Crashing in ?

The raid team were experienced in what they do. They were not been attacked or shot at, so see no reason why they should crash in.

[lookout]

Who is this ?  I do not recognise this name in the 140 pages of this thread.

I have contributed on virtually all pages on this thread. Answering everyones questions, putting my views across & submitting new information.

Gringo is an excellent " old " poster,Adam.