The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Alias]

How would you all feel if I turned the tables and said it was June who'd " kicked off " ? As opposed to it having been Sheila,as whatever had happened to June to have received a black eye previously,,she was also under par,mentally and had the burden of worry over Sheila,the twins and also her husband who was beginning to feel ill with worry too. It's not impossible for June to have snapped when things got more heated,,and I think it was June.or even Neville who fired that first shot to Sheilas' neck.
It was definitely between the three adults.
Not forgetting the fact that because June could never bear children,that alone from her previous years would have left its mark,plus her own past treatment at the clinic/hospital.

I have had this thought too after seeing that letter she wrote to Nevill, Sheila and Jeremy - the letter that sounded like a suicide note. She must have been quite depressed when she wrote that, contemplating her own death, writing "if I have to leave you".
But I can´t get very far with that thought, because all the circumstances become too complicated  - like what you mention about someone else shot Sheila first - and then what? Sheila herself shot a second time? It gets awfully complicated, and what about the telephone calls?
June was also shot in bed first, that adds to the complications.

[lookout]

 Not one footprint was found belonging to those present or anyone else for that matter,,given the volume of blood that was around.
I also remember reading,ages ago,about how the twins were on the landing. Who would have known that ? I can't even remember where I read it as I'd just joined. With all the racket going on,,it wouldn't have surprised me that the children woke up and got up to see what was going on.It's what children do,,and they hadn't been drugged.

[Jane]

I think the same Alias, it adds to debate and when you have a conflicting opinion, that is just what it is and nothing more....It is up to the reader whether they take part or not....I think its a good thing, so long as the post is debated and not the person....

Patti, I think it's great to have a conflicting opinion, PROVIDING it is an opinion and not just words pulled from somewhere. We, it seems, are prepared to look at things from all angles, which is much more helpful than someone who sticks rigidly to an opinion which is fundamentally someone elses.

[lookout]

I have had this thought too after seeing that letter she wrote to Nevill, Sheila and Jeremy - the letter that sounded like a suicide note. She must have been quite depressed when she wrote that, contemplating her own death, writing "if I have to leave you".
But I can´t get very far with that thought, because all the circumstances become too complicated  - like what you mention about someone else shot Sheila first - and then what? Sheila herself shot a second time? It gets awfully complicated, and what about the telephone calls?
June was also shot in bed first, that adds to the complications.

Yes,Alias,,that letter read to me like a suicide note,,but how things actually panned out,I'm not sure either,,but I've thought for long enough now that it was a fight to the finish between Sheila and June.I've no doubt whatsoever about that at all. Nothing to do with Jeremy,,but at the same time,nobody gave him a thought,unless Neville twigged that Jeremy would get the blame,so gave him an alibi by ringing him,not thinking that it wouldn't be believed. The most unfortunate circumstances if ever there were any.

[Alias]

Not one footprint was found belonging to those present or anyone else for that matter,,given the volume of blood that was around.
I also remember reading,ages ago,about how the twins were on the landing. Who would have known that ? I can't even remember where I read it as I'd just joined. With all the racket going on,,it wouldn't have surprised me that the children woke up and got up to see what was going on.It's what children do,,and they hadn't been drugged.

God forbid! I have always taken solace in that the twins never woke up and never knew what was coming to them.

[lookout]

God forbid! I have always taken solace in that the twins never woke up and never knew what was coming to them.

I know it doesn't bear thinking,Alias,,but I'd definitely read about it,but was always puzzled as to how anyone would have known. The whole argument comes back to the point about times of death,,which when not recorded,leaves a void in the investigation.It's a crucial part of any inquiry,and it just makes me so angry because it's all part and parcel of a near accurate time of death, to discount blame, especially when some poor sod is outside not knowing anything.

[HMEssex]

How would you all feel if I turned the tables and said it was June who'd " kicked off " ? As opposed to it having been Sheila,as whatever had happened to June to have received a black eye previously,,she was also under par,mentally and had the burden of worry over Sheila,the twins and also her husband who was beginning to feel ill with worry too. It's not impossible for June to have snapped when things got more heated,,and I think it was June.or even Neville who fired that first shot to Sheilas' neck.
It was definitely between the three adults.
Not forgetting the fact that because June could never bear children,that alone from her previous years would have left its mark,plus her own past treatment at the clinic/hospital.

Interesting.  New topic maybe to explore more?

[lookout]

Interesting.  New topic maybe to explore more?

Yes,HME,we could then delve into finding out about June and her personal problems,etc. Bring about a new slant on the investigation.

[tyler]

If we believe that Nevill made two phone calls then we have to believe that it was Sheila that kicked off,and not June. Nevill told both Jeremy and the police that it was Sheila. Twins were never on the landing,they slept through it...thank god!

[maggie]

Yes,Alias,,that letter read to me like a suicide note,,but how things actually panned out,I'm not sure either,,but I've thought for long enough now that it was a fight to the finish between Sheila and June.I've no doubt whatsoever about that at all. Nothing to do with Jeremy,,but at the same time,nobody gave him a thought,unless Neville twigged that Jeremy would get the blame,so gave him an alibi by ringing him,not thinking that it wouldn't be believed. The most unfortunate circumstances if ever there were any.

Hi lookout I  cannot accept the idea of a fight to the death between June and Sheila. Poor June is covered with blood and looked as though she'd had a long struggle but Sheila showed no signs of having struggled with anyone??

[lookout]

Hi lookout I  cannot accept the idea of a fight to the death between June and Sheila. Poor June is covered with blood and looked as though she'd had a long struggle but Sheila showed no signs of having struggled with anyone??

The reason that Sheila showed no signs of a struggle is that she had hold/control of the weapon that was doing the damage. Nobody stands a chance when the killer is holding a rifle.

[lookout]

June,as we know,received the full force of the tragedy that night. Why ? Did June fire the first shot at Sheila, from the rifle which was under their bed ?

[lookout]

I would think it rare if any shooter was marked in any way,unless the opponent was armed too.

[grahameb]

Not one footprint was found belonging to those present or anyone else for that matter,,given the volume of blood that was around.
I also remember reading,ages ago,about how the twins were on the landing. Who would have known that ? I can't even remember where I read it as I'd just joined. With all the racket going on,,it wouldn't have surprised me that the children woke up and got up to see what was going on.It's what children do,,and they hadn't been drugged.

But do we have to believe that? Because whoever did the murder must have stepped in blood somewhere along the line? What if the police when they came crashing clumsily into the door and stepped in the blood could not tell which were their footprints or those of the assailant? So put in their report that there were no footprints. Come on now do we really think that pigs erm police can fly?

[lookout]

But do we have to believe that? Because whoever did the murder must have stepped in blood somewhere along the line? What if the police when they came crashing clumsily into the door and stepped in the blood could not tell which were their footprints or those of the assailant? So put in their report that there were no footprints. Come on now do we really think that pigs erm police can fly?

Indeed,Graham.