The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

Probably, because there were no marks on her (or Jeremy if it comes to it) after he was incapacitated by bullets?

So after accuratly firing three bullet shots into Neville's head in the kitchen, she then spent the next few minutes brutally beating a dead man ?

[grahameb]

Don't try to turn the attention on me.

Thought if you believe Jeremy innocent you would have a theory on how Sheila did the beating.

People that think Bamber guilty always say Sheila could not have given Nevill such a beating. Injured or not. And I do not believe he would be beaten after being shot in the head & killed.

Nevill had major head injuries. But was 8 inches taller than Sheila. The pathologist said Nevill put up a big fight.

If he did put up a big fight then where are the marks on Sheila or Jeremy? Just because you do not personally believe something does not make it untrue. There are many people who think otherwise. The hard evidence is (and this is what we must go by) is that there were no marks either on Sheila, or Jeremy which were consistent with a "big fight". Logic: He did not put up a big fight. Conclusion: He was already incapacitated. Pure logic my friend.

[grahameb]

Mugford testified for one and a half days.

The expensive defence lawyers would have grilled her as much as they could. Mugford crying would not have stopped them. Mugford kept to her version.

And most of that time was spent bawling her eyes out. BIG crocodile tears to use a term referring to Jeremy at the funeral.

[grahameb]

Hunter said five days ago it was Sheila's blood on the silencer.  This automatically makes Jeremy gulity.

Maybe Hunter thinks Jeremy had an unfair trial & should be released.

No it doesn't. RWB had the same blood group and there are those who believe that it was his blood in the silencer put there by him. I personally do not believe that because there was plenty of Sheila's blood around. It is intriguing though that Jeremy, if it was him did not work out long before the murders that Sheila could not reach the trigger with the silencer on. All in all it doesnot have the distinctive marks of a well planned murder? On the contrary, to me at least it looks rather like a crime of passion. where the murderer lost all control and carried out the murders in  some kind of rage? But I could be wrong? Unlike your scenario.

[Adam]

If he did put up a big fight then where are the marks on Sheila or Jeremy? Just because you do not personally believe something does not make it untrue. There are many people who think otherwise. The hard evidence is (and this is what we must go by) is that there were no marks either on Sheila, or Jeremy which were consistent with a "big fight". Logic: He did not put up a big fight. Conclusion: He was already incapacitated. Pure logic my friend.

He was shot 5 times in the torso upstairs & on the stairs. But was found in the kitchen.

So he had the strenght to get to the kitchen where the pathologist said he put up a big fight for life.

The likelihood is Neville fought in the kitchen with 5 torso bullet wounds.

Surely with those injuries he could still have won a fight with Sheila. Or at least left marks on her. However a young, fit Jeremy is much more likely to carry out a successful beating without getting injured himself.

[grahameb]

So after accuratly firing three bullet shots into Neville's head in the kitchen, she then spent the next few minutes brutally beating a dead man ?

Well it does seem that way yes. He was already "incapacitated" perhaps not yet dead? Perhaps the bullets in the head were the last act by the murderer? The point is that I am trying to explain the lack of injuries on either Sheila or Jeremy. This seems to me to be the most logical answer? We unfortunately are not in the priviledged position of knowing the times of death of each individual person and thus cannot know the order in which they were killed, or when the bullets were fired into them? This is the reason that I cannot be so bold as to give a scenario.

[Adam]

No it doesn't. RWB had the same blood group and there are those who believe that it was his blood in the silencer put there by him. I personally do not believe that because there was plenty of Sheila's blood around. It is intriguing though that Jeremy, if it was him did not work out long before the murders that Sheila could not reach the trigger with the silencer on. All in all it doesnot have the distinctive marks of a well planned murder? On the contrary, to me at least it looks rather like a crime of passion. where the murderer lost all control and carried out the murders in  some kind of rage? But I could be wrong? Unlike your scenario.

He may not have known Sheila's arms were not long enough until the night. He may also not have known about back splatter.

With all windows being locked, Sheila the scapegoat & his police phone call Jeremy would have felt happy about his plan.

My scenario could be wrong.

[grahameb]

He was shot 5 times in the torso upstairs & on the stairs. But was found in the kitchen.

So he had the strenght to get to the kitchen where the pathologist said he put up a big fight for life.

The likelihood is Neville fought in the kitchen with 5 torso bullet wounds.

Surely with those injuries he could still have won a fight with Sheila. Or at least left marks on her. However a young, fit Jeremy is much more likely to carry out a successful beating without getting injured himself.

I very much doubt that even a qualified pathologist could know that? That is what he assumed as there were many injuries on Ralph. But we still have the problem as to why both Sheila and Jeremy had no corresponding marks on them.

[Adam]

I don't think the pathologist was there was he? He offered an opinion!! However Vanezis was awfully confused because on the day of the autopsy, Sheila had 'bloodied palms' but after Jeremy because a suspect, he forgot all about that and her hands were clean 

The pathologist does not need to be there.

He will know what a bullet from that gun, shot in the head will do to a human.

[grahameb]

He may not have known Sheila's arms were not long enough until the night. He may also not have known about back splatter.

With all windows being locked, Sheila the scapegoat & his police phone call Jeremy would have felt happy about his plan.

My scenario could be wrong.

You're a nice chap Adam.

[Adam]

I very much doubt that even a qualified pathologist could know that? That is what he assumed as there were many injuries on Ralph. But we still have the problem as to why both Sheila and Jeremy had no corresponding marks on them.

As I said it is much more likely that a young, fit male would be 'mark free' after a fight with Neville.

[Jane]

So after accuratly firing three bullet shots into Neville's head in the kitchen, she then spent the next few minutes brutally beating a dead man ?

Adam, you amaze me. You come onto this forum. PREACH at at. Argue with every point one of us makes. Give every indication that YOU are the quintessential expert......................and yet it seems you have zero knowledge of mental illness. Have you taken on board NOTHING we've said? It would seem you either haven't OR you're so arrogant that you've chosen to dismiss it as having no meaning. We who have some understanding of mental illness, either through personal experience or education, would be more that willing to share some of that knowledge with you. All you have to do is ask.

[grahameb]

The pathologist does not need to be there.

He will know what a bullet from that gun, shot in the head will do to a human.

Remember the problem? Neither Sheila or Jeremy had marks on them consistent with a big fight with their father. Keep that in mind. Logical questions: (1) Who fought with Ralph? (2) Did Ralph really put up a fight?
Remember if he did there would probably be defensive blows on his hands and arms. Similarly so on either Sheila or Jeremy. Personally may I suggest that he was at least helpless or incapacitated when those injuries were inflicted. And as the shots to his head were at a downward angle (if they were?) then the person who shot him must have been either taller than him, or he was sitting down. Another indication that he was in a helpless position? But as I said, I could be wrong?

[Adam]

Adam, you amaze me. You come onto this forum. PREACH at at. Argue with every point one of us makes. Give every indication that YOU are the quintessential expert......................and yet it seems you have zero knowledge of mental illness. Have you taken on board NOTHING we've said? It would seem you either haven't OR you're so arrogant that you've chosen to dismiss it as having no meaning. We who have some understanding of mental illness, either through personal experience or education, would be more that willing to share some of that knowledge with you. All you have to do is ask.

So Sheila's condition meant it is very possible that she would brutally spend several minutes beating a dead man - her father. After firing three head shots in the kitchen, each shot hitting it's target.

All because his parents (according to Jeremy) had mentioned fostering that night.

The psychiatrists hired for the defence all said Sheila was not capable of going on such a murderous rampage.

[Adam]

Remember the problem? Neither Sheila or Jeremy had marks on them consistent with a big fight with their father. Keep that in mind. Logical questions: (1) Who fought with Ralph? (2) Did Ralph really put up a fight?
Remember if he did there would probably be defensive blows on his hands and arms. Similarly so on either Sheila or Jeremy. Personally may I suggest that he was at least helpless or incapacitated when those injuries were inflicted. And as the shots to his head were at a downward angle (if they were?) then the person who shot him must have been either taller than him, or he was sitting down. Another indication that he was in a helpless position? But as I said, I could be wrong?

My scenario (which could be wrong) shows how Jeremy would have avoided injuries.