The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

How would Mugford know about the window ?

She read it in the newspaper like everybody else. Remember she didn't give her testimony til ages after the event. In fact she said nothing that the newspapers didn't publish.

[maggie]

She isn´t very trustworthy, is she. Criminal and all. The cheque fraud that Jeremy was not involved in at all, she still managed to wipe off on him, as she claimed she did it to impress him.....
Who is the psychopath?

If she has psychopathic tendencies she could easily condemn him to a life in prison and walk off with the £25, 000 without a backward glance.

[Jan]

Adam . no offence but you are wasting your time. The posters who think or believe JB is innocent will also think JM is telling lies. She told the N.O.W that he never admitted his guilt to her and also lied in court about the involvement of the police in her visit to the bank to "admit the fraud". She was paid whilst carrying out the 32 interviews with the police. And even if she was telling the truth later - then like BW she was telling lies in her original statements which tied up exactly with what JB said. Like you said earlier  money is a good motive for murder . It is also a good motive to lie.

I don't know , perhaps she did believe he did it and was "persuaded " to embellish the story in order for the police to get a conviction as they had very little left to go on. And maybe then she thought that was morally acceptable. But to keep quiet for  a month - that's not morally acceptable in my eyes. Also read what the judge said about her testimony, Apparently she was in such a state that her evidence should not be relied on.

[Jan]

Also strange that she was in such a state whilst giving evidence - but carried out the ID of the bodies and those terrible pictures for the N.O.W without a backward glance.

[Adam]

She read it in the newspaper like everybody else. Remember she didn't give her testimony til ages after the event. In fact she said nothing that the newspapers didn't publish.

It was murder/suicide. The press did not mention a window.

Bamber was questioned in his interview transcripts about how Mugford knew about the kitchen fight and bible.

[grahameb]

Jeremy did have a way with the ladies. Mugford was under his spell.

Oh yeah yeah. Unfortunately doesn't see that as an excuse to be an accessory after the fact. Oh I am sorry. They didn't bring any charges against her because she was prepared to stand up in court to say Jeremy murdered his whole family. Some spell.

[grahameb]

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This is plain crazy. See my modified post above. Crazy the lengths nons are willing to go to to defend miss Mugford.

In reality she was just one shit girlfriend.

[maggie]

Also strange that she was in such a state whilst giving evidence - but carried out the ID of the bodies and those terrible pictures for the N.O.W without a backward glance.

It seemed as if she just didn't seem to understand acceptable behaviour. The crying may have been put on, manipulation, sympathy chasing? It's possible.

[grahameb]

Mugford is married with two children. And a respected teacher now.

You show me a respectable person and I'll show you a good person who is not respected by society. She does charity work as well. So did Sir Robert Maxwell and he was respectable. Knited even. But he was a crook.

[grahameb]

Mugford spent a long time with Stan Jones preparing the WS.

He is an experienced officer and will see a liar a mile off.

He would have made it totally clear to her the implications of lying to the police & in court.

Mugford stood firm.

[maggie]

You show me a respectable person and I'll show you a good person who is not respected by society. She does charity work as well. So did Sir Robert Maxwell and he was respectable. Knited even. But he was a crook.

Think it's claimed he was a psychpath, isn't it?  Many such people do charitable works to gain power and admiration, makes them look good, doesn't mean they are.

[Adam]

Adam . no offence but you are wasting your time. The posters who think or believe JB is innocent will also think JM is telling lies. She told the N.O.W that he never admitted his guilt to her and also lied in court about the involvement of the police in her visit to the bank to "admit the fraud". She was paid whilst carrying out the 32 interviews with the police. And even if she was telling the truth later - then like BW she was telling lies in her original statements which tied up exactly with what JB said. Like you said earlier  money is a good motive for murder . It is also a good motive to lie.

I don't know , perhaps she did believe he did it and was "persuaded " to embellish the story in order for the police to get a conviction as they had very little left to go on. And maybe then she thought that was morally acceptable. But to keep quiet for  a month - that's not morally acceptable in my eyes. Also read what the judge said about her testimony, Apparently she was in such a state that her evidence should not be relied on.

I know this is a pro Bamber forum.

Everything I say people will automatically say the opposite or defend Jeremy. I do not mind that. As long as they do not start accusing me of spreading lies & myths or question my sources. My sources are the same as everyone else's. My eyes.

I like finding out new things about the case. I was questioning why a bike was put outside Jeremys cottage a few days before the murders. Another poster said Jeremy bought it for Julie so she could cycle to the station. How nice.

[grahameb]

I know this is a pro Bamber forum.

Everything I say people will automatically say the opposite or defend Jeremy. I do not mind that. As long as they do not start accusing me of spreading lies & myths or question my sources. My sources are the same as everyone else's. My eyes.

I like finding out new things about the case. I was questioning why a bike was put outside Jeremys cottage a few days before the murders. Another poster said Jeremy bought it for Julie so she could cycle to the station. How nice.

Well it was JM who said it first. Not the poster on the forum.

[Adam]

Why are you going on about the window? There is NO evidence that anyone got in or out of a window - it was a theory or how he MIGHT have got in/out.

Jeremy was found guilty & has failed to get released.

He got in & out of the windows.

[Jan]

Actually I did not realise JM did not even go to the police - it was her friend Liz - who told the police JM had been with holding evidence ( after telling JM she had been sleeping with JB)  So JM was arrested .It was only at this point that JM admitted drug smuggling amongst other things. So if Liz had not gone to the police JM would not have come forward. Even worse. So was she a fantasist and attention seeker and her lies came back to bite her in the butt?

Also if JB and JM were under observation by the drugs squad - they did not do a very good job did they?