The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[maggie]

Both points true. He was good looking & very popular with women.

Having an affair with a much older woman when he was younger.

Mugford was under his spell. I am sure we have all been under someones spell at one point on our lives.

So he was a good looking guy as are many others, Loads of young men have affairs with older women, Suzette Ford wasn'so much older, she was still a young woman.
We have all experienced young love but I don"t believe it would survive if you realised the object of your affections was a cold blooded killer..

[Adam]

So he was a good looking guy as are many others, Loads of young men have affairs with older women, Suzette Ford wasn'so much older, she was still a young woman.
We have all experienced young love but I don"t believe it would survive if you realised the object of your affections was a cold blooded killer..

He was not a cold blooded killer until that fateful night. Even after the murders he said Mcdonald did it.

The relationship did not last long afterwards.

[Adam]

Mugford is married with two children. And a respected teacher now.

[Alias]

He was not a cold blooded killer until that fateful night. Even after the murders he said Mcdonald did it.

The relationship did not last long afterwards.

IT DOESN´T MATTER IF JULIE THOUGHT McDONALD HAD DONE IT - SHE COULD STILL HAVE SAVED THE FAMILY.
It lasted a whole MONTH, where she had even seen the dead bodies of them all.
I repeat: IF Jeremy did this, Julie was IN on it. Jeremy would NOT have told her about it unless she was IN on it and AGREED with what he was about to do.

[Alias]

Mugford is married with two children. And a respected teacher now.

She basically fled England to a place she thought wouldn´t know about her past. I suspect the last few years have been hard on her with people going online.
I know teachers who are a-holes - and married people too. What is your point? Julie has a VERY stained past, I cannot respect her!!

[Adam]

Mugford spent a long time with Stan Jones preparing the WS.

He is an experienced officer and will see a liar a mile off.

He would have made it totally clear to her the implications of lying to the police & in court.

Mugford stood firm.

[Adam]

Yes he did didn't he, he went FAR beyond the call and coached her well.
I'm sure he most certainly does recognise a liar - he should do!!

So Stan Jones knew Mugford was lying but told her to continue & coached her.

[Adam]

Mugford could have made a lot money since 1986.

Speaking in more detail about Jeremy, life since the trial & how she feels about that period of her life.

She has kept quiet.

[Alias]

Mugford could have made a lot money since 1986.

Speaking in more detail about Jeremy, life since the trial & how she feels about that period of her life.

She has kept quiet.

If she had gone out and talked more about this, she could have waved byebye to any teacher job in the future. A few newspaper articles and perhaps a tell-all book would have brought less money than a steady job.
Or has she kept quiet because she was lying in the first place. Fugative Julie.

[grahameb]

Part of Mugfords WS.

Truth or lie ?

Whether it be truth or a lie one wonders if it was true why she stayed with him if he was like that? Certainly not a woman I would trust to give a true testimony of Jeremy.

[Alias]

Whether it be truth or a lie one wonders if it was true why she stayed with him if he was like that? Certainly not a woman I would trust to give a true testimony of Jeremy.

She isn´t very trustworthy, is she. Criminal and all. The cheque fraud that Jeremy was not involved in at all, she still managed to wipe off on him, as she claimed she did it to impress him.....
Who is the psychopath?

[grahameb]

Fact I mean that is what he told me.I know that he had about £800 saved up during the summer period of 1984 which he spent on things for the house but needed extra from the bank to finish furnishing the house.I remember now that sometime around October or November Jeremy was at home and was very angry about the way he was treated by his parents and in talking to Sheila he wished that he could get rid of them and all the family so he could live his own life. I told him he shouldn’t say such terrible things and I dismissed it as idle talk. From October or November 1984 Jeremy would often complain about his parents and would occasionally mention the fact that he wished they were dead.I remember now that it was just after Christmas 1984 he expanded on how he could kill the whole family. We came ……??… round the farm and he stated that he would like to kill his parents. He also said that he would have to kill Sheila and the twins as well. I asked him why as I could understand him talking about his parents like that but not about Sheila and the twins. I asked him why kill Sheila and the twins as they had done nothing to him. He told me that he deserved everything and Sheila had done nothing on the farm so she didn’t deserve anything. He also said she was crazy and he would be putting her out of her misery and by killing the twins it would be doing them a favour as they would grow up disturbed because of the way they were being brought up.I would mention also that prior to Christmas 1984 I had met Sheilas ex-husband who I know as Colin Caffell. I

So she knew all this back in 1984? But it is obvious that if he did say all that about Sheila and the kids she thought he was joking? But don't you think it rather strange that when his family had all been killed that it still didn't click with her that Jeremy did it? Not until........He dumped her of course. Oh I get it. If Jeremy did do it then she was complicit with it. Or why would she wait until after he dumped her? There definitely something wrong with her testimony. Either she was lying. Or she was in it with him? And if he hadn't dumped her she would have remained silent.

[grahameb]

What bits are wrong. Or all of it ?

Well if it is right, then she was certainly an accessory after the act.

[maggie]

She isn´t very trustworthy, is she. Criminal and all. The cheque fraud that Jeremy was not involved in at all, she still managed to wipe off on him, as she claimed she did it to impress him.....
Who is the psychopath?

Took the words right out of my mouth, Alias was just going to post the same ........ 'who's the psychpath?'  Have thought this before.  :D

[grahameb]

In the early hours of the morning, I have since found out from a friend of mine, Susan Battersby who was with me then, it was about 3:15am, I was woken up by another house mate Douglas Dale who told me that Jeremy was on the telephone. I got out of bed and went to the phone on the landing and said hello. I felt very dozy and I suppose I was only half awake. He said everything is going well, not to worry there is something wrong at the farm.I told him sleepily to go back to bed and he said bye honey I love you lots. I then put the phone down. I particularly remember the phrase ‘everything is going well’ I then got into bed and laid there for a few minutes when I suddenly came to my senses and realised what he had said.

Wasn't she the least bit curious as to those cryptic words? "There is something wrong at the farm". The was something wrong at the farm so she told him to go back to bed? It is obvious how she interpreted that message on the night. Everything is going well. Don't worry, but I think there's something wrong at the farm. (What shall I do)
She doesn't count it very important so she tells him to go back to bed. But Jeremy is still concerned and sais to himself. Hmm. It might be nothing. But I'd better phone the police. Perhaps they can help. Phones police: "Hello. I wonder if you can help me etc....."