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« Reply #1725 on: December 14, 2013, 07:07:PM »
Adam have never heard the Jrremy hadn't spoken to June for years. As far as I remember Brett went to WHF with Jeremy to meet June and Neville, Julie used to sometimes read the twins bedtime stories, think you've been dreaming.
I've told him a million billion times not to exagerate.

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« Reply #1726 on: December 14, 2013, 07:08:PM »
Quote: Mary Mugford.

Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. He resented her loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & he was more affectionate to me. He used to call me mummy all the time. He offered me his mothers car just after the shooting. He was going to keep no momentoes & he wanted to sell everything.

Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him to boarding school. He never forgave her for that. Apparently she was a religious maniac. Jeremy told me June was thinking of changing her will in favour of the twins. Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection to him.

Said in court.
Yet another "unbiased" witness. ::)

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« Reply #1727 on: December 14, 2013, 07:09:PM »
Lie or truth ?
An old bag sticking up for her daughter.

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« Reply #1728 on: December 14, 2013, 07:12:PM »


Alias, when I THINK of the throwaway lines which COULD have incriminated me after my mother died!!! People knew she didn't get on with me, and whilst I never said the words "I hate her" I think many felt I may have had just cause. I think it highly likely Jeremy exaggerated,m especially if he felt he had a sympathetic audience. I probably would have done the same.
Even so Alias it is still hearsay and this should have been pointed out in court if that is where it was said.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #1729 on: December 14, 2013, 07:12:PM »
You have to wonder about Julie´s mother juuuuust a little bit, after all she brought up a daughter who was fine with posing like that in NOTW. :-\

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« Reply #1730 on: December 14, 2013, 07:14:PM »
BTW, Mary Mugford couldn´t have known whether Jeremy and June talked, I don´t believe she saw them together.
So many possibilities of exaggeration: Jeremy could have exaggerated this when talking to her, she could have exaggerated it in her testimony and finally, the author could have exaggerated for max effect. And it still doesn´t make Jeremy a murderer.
Seems like both children of the Bambers had problems with their mentally unstable mother, Sheila and Jeremy both.
I agree Alias, I think June was a very strong minded woman which makes life difficult for teenagers in any situation.  She was also very religious leaving texts around the house, pretty annoying when you're growing up imo.

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« Reply #1731 on: December 14, 2013, 07:15:PM »
Grahame so eloquently put ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #1732 on: December 14, 2013, 07:16:PM »
You have to wonder about Julie´s mother juuuuust a little bit, after all she brought up a daughter who was fine with posing like that in NOTW. :-\
Agreed Alias, Julie wasn't someone for a mother to be proud of, wonder if her mother knew about the robbery and the check book fraud etc? :-\

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« Reply #1733 on: December 14, 2013, 07:16:PM »
I agree Alias, I think June was a very strong minded woman which makes life difficult for teenagers in any situation.  She was also very religious leaving texts around the house, pretty annoying when you're growing up imo.

What she did to Sheila was more than just annoying. Calling your daughter, the Devil´s childm, is unforgivable.

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« Reply #1734 on: December 14, 2013, 07:24:PM »
Agreed Alias, Julie wasn't someone for a mother to be proud of, wonder if her mother knew about the robbery and the check book fraud etc? :-\

Maybe not then, she probably learned about it later. If not on the internet, she would have read articles in newspapers. She most certainly would have seen her daughter posing with her bare behind in NOTW. Wonder if she was proud of her daughter. Wonder if Julie´s sons have seen this - it would be easy for them to find this online.

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« Reply #1735 on: December 14, 2013, 07:39:PM »
What she did to Sheila was more than just annoying. Calling your daughter, the Devil´s childm, is unforgivable.
That's true Alias and without making excuses the Speakmans did seem to veer towards fire and brimstone kind of old fashioned nonconformist religion. Think when Granny Speakman heard of the murders she declared it was 'the devil's work'.  The devil was alive and well and living in the Essex countryside.  Not at all good to speak to your daughter like that, I agree. :)
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« Reply #1736 on: December 14, 2013, 08:17:PM »
 It became quite obvious that Jeremy disliked his family and he could not understand why I was so close to mine. He didn’t like Sheila who he thought was crazy. He told me that she had mental problems and had done some horrible things to him in the past.He would not tell me what she had exactly done to him. Jeremy resented his parents ruling his life and trying to control as well.I in fact told him I couldn’t understand why if he hated them so much he just didn’t clear out. He told me he had too much to lose. He didn’t actually say what he had to lose but I guessed that he would lose the farm and caravan site which he told me he would get one day.Jeremy became very frustrated as he pointed the fact that his parents would not give him things, which he had worked for and had earned. He despised Sheila as she was being kept in a flat in London by her parents with all bills being paid.All Jeremy wanted was money although I told he was lucky at his age to have got what he had.During my Christmas vacation of 1984 which was between the beginning of December to the middle of January 1985 I was staying at the house in Goldhanger. At that time I was also working part time at Sloppy Joes in Colchester. During this period,  I can’t remember if it was before or after Christmas, Jeremy made mention of killing his whole family. We were sitting in the house and he basically confided that he didn’t think his parents had done enough for him like buying carpets and furniture for his house. I know for a fact that he had to get a loan from the bank to buy things for the house. When I say for a
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« Reply #1737 on: December 14, 2013, 08:18:PM »
Part of Mugfords WS.

Truth or lie ?
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« Reply #1738 on: December 14, 2013, 08:20:PM »
Fact I mean that is what he told me.I know that he had about £800 saved up during the summer period of 1984 which he spent on things for the house but needed extra from the bank to finish furnishing the house.I remember now that sometime around October or November Jeremy was at home and was very angry about the way he was treated by his parents and in talking to Sheila he wished that he could get rid of them and all the family so he could live his own life. I told him he shouldn’t say such terrible things and I dismissed it as idle talk. From October or November 1984 Jeremy would often complain about his parents and would occasionally mention the fact that he wished they were dead.I remember now that it was just after Christmas 1984 he expanded on how he could kill the whole family. We came ……??… round the farm and he stated that he would like to kill his parents. He also said that he would have to kill Sheila and the twins as well. I asked him why as I could understand him talking about his parents like that but not about Sheila and the twins. I asked him why kill Sheila and the twins as they had done nothing to him. He told me that he deserved everything and Sheila had done nothing on the farm so she didn’t deserve anything. He also said she was crazy and he would be putting her out of her misery and by killing the twins it would be doing them a favour as they would grow up disturbed because of the way they were being brought up.I would mention also that prior to Christmas 1984 I had met Sheilas ex-husband who I know as Colin Caffell. I
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« Reply #1739 on: December 14, 2013, 08:22:PM »
Seems like a young man caught up in the mid 80's 'loadsofmoney' culture & wanting it all. Now.
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