The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

Quote: Mary Mugford.

Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. He resented her loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & he was more affectionate to me. He used to call me mummy all the time. He offered me his mothers car just after the shooting. He was going to keep no momentoes & he wanted to sell everything.

Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him to boarding school. He never forgave her for that. Apparently she was a religious maniac. Jeremy told me June was thinking of changing her will in favour of the twins. Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection to him.

Said in court.

[Adam]

Lie or truth ?

[Alias]

Quote: Mary Mugford.

Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. He resented her loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & he was more affectionate to me. He used to call me mummy all the time. He offered me his mothers car just after the shooting. He was going to keep no momentoes & he wanted to sell everything.

Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him to boarding school. He never forgave her for that. Apparently she was a religious maniac. Jeremy told me June was thinking of changing her will in favour of the twins. Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection to him.

Said in court.

This is from the book, right?

[susan]

Adam  ;DZZZZZZ to you too and yawn yawn. At least now I know not to reply to your posts You make it so obvious when you are loosing the plot

[Adam]

This is from the book, right?

This is what the book said Mary Mugford said in court.

Do you think a respected investigative author would lie about what someone said in court in a murder trial ?

[maggie]

Quote: Mary Mugford.
Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. He resented her loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & he was more affectionate to me. He used to call me mummy all the time. He offered me his mothers car just after the shooting. He was going to keep no momentoes & he wanted to sell everything.
Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him to boarding school. He never forgave her for that. Apparently she was a religious maniac. Jeremy told me June was thinking of changing her will in favour of the twins. Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any
affection to him.

Said in court.

Thank you Adam so it was a quote from Julie's mother not a statement by Wilkes.  I remember now. She may have said that but not even the Eatons or Robert Boutflour ever mentioned that. I shall take it with a pinch of salt. I wonder if she was proud of her daughter selling her soul for £25, 000 laughing in a photo in the Sun, not one word for the dead just take the money and run.

[Jane]

This is from the book, right?

Right!!! Happy now? But let me ask you this: Who got inside Jeremy's head to confirm that all/ANY of it was true? The book came out AFTER the trial. The author wanted to make money. Who the hell was there to care about the odd "indiscrepancy" The more titillating the tale, the more books sold.............and the convicted person can't sue.

[Alias]

This is what the book said Mary Mugford said in court.

Do you think a respected investigative author would lie about what someone said in court in a murder trial ?

I don´t know. I find it hard to believe they didn´t talk for two years - he worked at that farm!

[Jane]

Lie or truth ?

Could be either, really couldn't it. Very much depends on who/what one feels inclined to believe.

[Alias]

BTW, Mary Mugford couldn´t have known whether Jeremy and June talked, I don´t believe she saw them together.
So many possibilities of exaggeration: Jeremy could have exaggerated this when talking to her, she could have exaggerated it in her testimony and finally, the author could have exaggerated for max effect. And it still doesn´t make Jeremy a murderer.
Seems like both children of the Bambers had problems with their mentally unstable mother, Sheila and Jeremy both.

[Jane]

BTW, Mary Mugford couldn´t have known whether Jeremy and June talked, I don´t believe she saw them together.
So many possibilities of exaggeration: Jeremy could have exaggerated this when talking to her, she could have exaggerated it in her testimony and finally, the author could have exaggerated for max effect. And it still doesn´t make Jeremy a murderer.
Seems like both children of the Bambers had problems with their mentally unstable mother, Sheila and Jeremy both.

Alias, when I THINK of the throwaway lines which COULD have incriminated me after my mother died!!! People knew she didn't get on with me, and whilst I never said the words "I hate her" I think many felt I may have had just cause. I think it highly likely Jeremy exaggerated,m especially if he felt he had a sympathetic audience. I probably would have done the same.

[susan]

april I agree think Jeremy would just say things for effect and to get attention.  I am sure things were not that bad between Jeremy and June and Jeremy would be just full of bravado.  It is like when Julie tried to smoother Jeremy I am sure she would not have actually smothered him it was just a gesture or a jealous rage

[Jane]

april I agree think Jeremy would just say things for effect and to get attention.  I am sure things were not that bad between Jeremy and June and Jeremy would be just full of bravado.  It is like when Julie tried to smoother Jeremy I am sure she would not have actually smothered him it was just a gesture or a jealous rage

Yes Susan, whilst it wasn't a wonderful mother/son relationship, probably both being a bit of a disappointment to each other, I expect it was tolerable, especially after Jeremy had his own home.

[Jan]

a couple of questions - I was reading the 2002 documentation and a lot of emphasis was put on the fact that SB had "clean feet" no blood. When did the photos come to light that show this was not true?

I could also see there was a lot of questioning about "contaminated " swabs.In other words apparently the police had not kept all the paperwork in order that went to the labs.

What was the story behind some shoes that she may have been wearing that went missing?
Were the socks ever part of the forensic evidence. Also they said her nails were in tact and manicured but were there photos of her hands? If they hid the photos of her feet did they do the same with her hands ? I don't just mean the ones with the gun , I mean specific ones ?

[susan]

april Jeremy would only have to see June at evening meal and I am sure they exchanged words round the table.  Think Jeremy got on with Nevill though.  June's religious beliefs got in the way of her relationship with Sheila and Jeremy. As I see it even if Jeremy did say all this stuff to Julie's Mother does not make him a murderer.