The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

Every single move, every single word Jeremy did or said is turned and twisted into something sinister - even having supper! 

Yes that night is very important.

Jeremy heard rabbits ?! He loaded a gun with 10 bullets & went out in the dark to shoot them. But did not fire a shot. Then leaving the gun in the kitchen.

He also apparently heard talk about the twins being fostered.

[Alias]

Yes that night is very important.

Jeremy heard rabbits ?! He loaded a gun with 10 bullets & went out in the dark to shoot them. Leaving the gun in the kitchen.

He also apparently heard talk about the twins being fostered.

Yes, that is what he says.

[susan]

Adam Maggie did not call you a liar she said you made things up a big big difference.  You have a vivid imagination and post up inaccuracies like 15 years now 20 and you say it does not matter would do if Jeremy was saying it. You allow yourself mistakes but poor Jeremy could not even look right as far as you are concerned

[Jane]

Can you not call me a lier please.

I am going by what I have read from various sources. Such as Jeremy not speaking to June for years.

No I was not dreaming. It was testified in court as just mentioned.

Adam, perhaps it would be a good idea to prefix those quoted statements with "It is said that" OR "It is stated" That way there can be no misunderstanding.

[Adam]

Adam dear, shall we look at that from another direction. Mary SAID Jeremy told her. If we return to your seemingly churlish dismissal of seeing grandchildren because of worry over mental state, MOST parents would lie through their teeth to protect their children. I VERY much doubt that Mary would have wished to see her daughter branded a liar and no one could prove, like much else said by Mugfords, what was actually said, because there, conveniently, was usually no one else there to verify it.

So Mary Mugford is lying under oath ?

Jeremy in court agreed he had a poor relationship with June.

[maggie]

Can you not call me a lier please.

I am going by what I have read from various sources. Such as Jeremy not speaking to June for years.

No I was not dreaming. It was testified in court as just mentioned.

I haven't called you a liar I said you were making stuff up. I have NEVER heard it mentioned anywhere that Jeremy wasn't speaking to June and hadn't for years. He was speaking to June, where did you read that? Please tell.

[Alias]

So Mary Mugford is lying under oath ?

Jeremy in court agreed he had a poor relationship with June.

So did Sheila. It does say in the doctor´s statement that jansus put up, that Sheila feared June, and that she had an extremely strained relationship with her.

[Alias]

I haven't called you a liar I said you were making stuff up. I have NEVER heard it mentioned anywhere that Jeremy wasn't speaking to June and hadn't for years. He was speaking to June, where did you read that? Please tell.

I was thinking the same, I never heard this before. Where did you see it, Adam?

[maggie]

So Mary Mugford is lying under oath ?

Jeremy in court agreed he had a poor relationship with June.

Jeremy admitted he had a difficult relationship in the past he stated he had a much better relationship with her over the past 18 months as he understood her better.

[susan]

Maggie he wont tell you because he can't.  I have asked three times what evidence came to light that the police changed their mind from 4 murders one suicide to 5 murders virtually overnight still no reply.

[Adam]

Adam Maggie did not call you a liar she said you made things up a big big difference.  You have a vivid imagination and post up inaccuracies like 15 years now 20 and you say it does not matter would do if Jeremy was saying it. You allow yourself mistakes but poor Jeremy could not even look right as far as you are concerned

She said I spread lies. 

15/20, who cares  ? Either way Jeremy would be stuck on his tractor a long time. He did not sit on his tractor much after the murders. Preferring to live it up.

Not even look right. What is that supposed to mean ?

[Jane]

So Mary Mugford is lying under oath ?

Jeremy in court agreed he had a poor relationship with June.

Why is it SO hard for you to accept that some MAY lie under oath and some won't. I imagine Jeremy's description of his relationship with June was entirely accurate. I think, good woman though she undoubtedly was, she was also a very difficult woman to have a comfortable, easy relationship with. Colin was reluctant to leave his boys in her care because of it.

[Adam]

I was thinking the same, I never heard this before. Where did you see it, Adam?

I just said it was testified in court.

[Adam]

Maggie he wont tell you because he can't.  I have asked three times what evidence came to light that the police changed their mind from 4 murders one suicide to 5 murders virtually overnight still no reply.

I already answered this. Keep up. You should know anyway.

Silencer, Mugford, relatives, Jeremys reaction. Some of the police were suspicious from the start.

[Jane]

She said I spread lies. 

15/20, who cares  ? Either way Jeremy would be stuck on his tractor a long time. He did not sit on his tractor much after the murders. Preferring to live it up.

Not even look right. What is that supposed to mean ?

Adam, I'm beginning to experience your behaviour as childish. Please keep your toys IN the pram :D