The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Alias]

Nevill & June knew Sheila better than most. They invited her over to stay.

They also knew Jeremy better than most. He came to the farm every, yet they had no problem letting him have free access to firearms.

[Adam]

They also knew Jeremy better than most. He came to the farm every, yet they had no problem letting him have free access to firearms.

Jeremy did not have a front door key.

[Jane]

Nevill & June knew Sheila better than most. They invited her over to stay.

Keep up Adam. The only reason she was there was because Colin was taking the boys on holiday to Norway and their grandparents wanted to see them before they went......................and even if they did "know" her, I don't recall it being recorded that either of them said she was happy on her last day.

[Alias]

Jeremy going over for supper that night meant he could give the police the 'fostering' story.

He had supper there frequently, and the foster story conversation, as you call it, most likely took place. Jeremy, a young man, would not have come up with this - he didn´t really care that much about Sheila and her boys, did he? This wouldn´t have entered his mind. I say that that conversation DID take place. It is not strange at all. Colin had a new girlfriend and didn´t want the twins full-time, Sheila was getting too ill to take care of them properly (scizophrenia is a progressive illness). The twins had been in day-foster care earlier. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the anti Bambers keep talking about this as something Jeremy made up. It is stupid!

[Jan]

well the police must have moved the body then because there is not a wall behind where her body is shown - I think there is some piece of furniture

[Roch]

Adam,

Would it be fair to suggest that you are a 'patrician'?

Do you identify your self with in some way with authority?  Do you believe that miscarriage of justice campaigners are to be opposed, for a greater good?  Even though the system has flaws, in the main it works and is good?  It's better to sacrifice Jeremy Bamber than to bring the system in to disrepute?

Adam, do you think these are fair questions?

[Adam]

Keep up Adam. The only reason she was there was because Colin was taking the boys on holiday to Norway and their grandparents wanted to see them before they went.

I am sure you will agree I am keeping up.

If they were worried about Sheila they would not have her stay. If that means not seeing their grand children. So be it.

[Jan]

Jeremy did not have a front door key.

so? I don't see why that is relevant. My sister has three grown up girls and they don't have keys . I have two grown up children  and they do have keys? My sister likes her privacy ( read into that what you want ) I am quite happy for my two to come over when they want. I think you are trying to read too much into small things. They may not have let him have a key , but they were happy enough to let him use the guns in the house.

[Jane]

I am sure you will agree I am keeping up.

If they were worried about Sheila they not have her stay. If that means not seeing their grand children. So be it.

GOD ALMIGHTY!!!! We've got ourselves another as devoid emotional intelligence as Steve. I can only say to that, I hope you see your own grandchildren differently.

[Adam]

He had supper there frequently, and the foster story conversation, as you call it, most likely took place. Jeremy, a young man, would not have come up with this - he didn´t really care that much about Sheila and her boys, did he? This wouldn´t have entered his mind. I say that that conversation DID take place. It is not strange at all. Colin had a new girlfriend and didn´t want the twins full-time, Sheila was getting too ill to take care of them properly (scizophrenia is a progressive illness). The twins had been in day-foster care earlier. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the anti Bambers keep talking about this as something Jeremy made up. It is stupid!

Again, let's ask Jeremy if the conversation took place.

Not sure there were too many suppers. It was testified in court that Jeremy hated his parents. He had not spoken to June for years. He also told the police Sheila is a nutter & he didn't like her. Barbara Wilson said he had confessed to the caravan robbery, spending most of the money recently.

But that night Jeremy had to have supper at WHF. It would help him deflect attention to Sheila.

[Alias]

Again, let's ask Jeremy if the conversation took place.

Not sure there were too many suppers. It was testified in court that Jeremy hated his parents. He had not spoken to June for years. He also told the police Sheila is a nutter & he didn't like her. Barbara Wilson said he had confessed to the caravan robbery, spending most of the money recently.

But that night Jeremy had to have supper at WHF. It would help him deflect attention to Sheila.

This is what you claim, yes. I do not agree.

[Adam]

This is what you claim, yes. I do not agree.

I am just going by what was testified in court.

[Jane]

Again, let's ask Jeremy if the conversation took place.

Not sure there were too many suppers. It was testified in court that Jeremy hated his parents. He had not spoken to June for years. He also told the police Sheila is a nutter & he didn't like her. Barbara Wilson said he had confessed to the caravan robbery, spending most of the money recently.

But that night Jeremy had to have supper at WHF. It would help him deflect attention to Sheila.

I imagine it far more likely that having worked a 14 hr day it was more convenient for him to eat with his parents that go home and cook for himself. Routine changes at harvest. Routine changes when there are visitors. Had you realized it was also Sheila's first visit to the farm in almost a year?

[grahameb]

In my scenario he shot June & the twins in bed. Then beat up a man who had been shot 5 times. Why did he need help ?

Oh, now he was shot 5 times before he was beaten.

[Jane]

Again, let's ask Jeremy if the conversation took place.

Not sure there were too many suppers. It was testified in court that Jeremy hated his parents. He had not spoken to June for years. He also told the police Sheila is a nutter & he didn't like her. Barbara Wilson said he had confessed to the caravan robbery, spending most of the money recently.

But that night Jeremy had to have supper at WHF. It would help him deflect attention to Sheila.

"It was testified in court that Jeremy hated his parents" Was Jeremy ASKED how he felt about his parents? YOU were the one who asked if people lied under oath. I feel perfectly certain that you're more than willing to believe Jeremy did. Are you as willing to extend the same view to others?