The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

Adam two days ago you said Jeremy would have to graft for another 15 years now it has jumped to 20.  Nevill at 61 you describe as a frail old man now you are saying he would go on farming till he was 81 make your mind up.

Neville may cut down on his hours as he got older. But WHF, the caravan park & farm land would still be Nevill's. Jeremy would still be working long hours. It is no secret Jeremy hated farming.

If Nevill & June went into semi retirement, they are eating away at any potential inheritance, holidays etc. An inheritance Jeremy would have to share with three other people he felt did not deserve it.

[Jane]

Why was it shown it court if it was so outdated ?

Jeremy had said he had seen the wills. Barbara Wilson saying Nevill wanted the safe key moved.

I wasn't aware the will had been updated. Don't you feel it somewhat illogical to leave THAT much to an adult one is SO uncertain of that they're required to prove their worth...................but it would seem reasonable to include such a clause for a child/minor.

[Adam]

I think he might not know. Anyway, he is being described as a cold, calculating murderer who had planned to wipe his entire family off the face of the earth. He would have known he would have to reload the rifle  (BTW, that rifle was an odd choice for a somewhat experienced shooter), why "waste" so many bullets on two sleeping little boys - I don´t get it!

My scenario has Jeremy shooting the twins last.

After reloading the second time he had at least 8 bullets left. Everyone else had been shot several times, except Sheila. Why not the twins ?

[Alias]

My scenario has Jeremy shooting the twins last.

After reloading the second time he had at least 8 bullets left. Everyone else had been shot several times, except Sheila. Why not the twins ?

Because it makes no sense. Why would he make it more difficult for himself - it must have been daunting enough as it was.

[Adam]

Because it makes no sense. Why would he make it more difficult for himself - it must have been daunting enough as it was.

Why is shooting the twins 5 & 3 times harder than shooting them both once ?

In my scenario he had already killed his mother, father & sister.

[Jane]

Because it makes no sense. Why would he make it more difficult for himself - it must have been daunting enough as it was.

A very interesting point, Alias. I wonder if Adam is aware of the reality of the sights, sounds. tastes and smells that would emit from just ONE violent death, let alone 5....................and these were his family and as he WASN'T a psychopath he wouldn't have had the "luxury" of having no feelings.

[susan]

Adam  go back and read your post 205 and you will see where you said Jeremy would have to work another 15 years now you are saying 20.  I did read more of your posts as I flicked through them and I see in one you describe Nevill as a strong strapping ex RAF strong guy  in another a frail 61 year old who would need a phone in his bedroom because of the stairs.  As I went through your posts I thought to myself how sad I must be to be doing this it is only because it is raining and I cannot go walking

[Alias]

Why is shooting the twins 5 & 3 times harder than shooting them both once ?

In my scenario he had already killed his mother, father & sister.

Not in mine.
It would have made it harder for him because he would have had to reload the rifle. Renener he had to "control" FIVE people. It didn´t happen though, it is impossible. If Jeremy did not have an accomplice, I cannot see that he could have committed the murders. With an accomplice I can see it.

[Alias]

Adam  go back and read your post 205 and you will see where you said Jeremy would have to work another 15 years now you are saying 20.  I did read more of your posts as I flicked through them and I see in one you describe Nevill as a strong strapping ex RAF strong guy  in another a frail 61 year old who would need a phone in his bedroom because of the stairs.  As I went through your posts I thought to myself how sad I must be to be doing this it is only because it is raining and I cannot go walking

It is the same with Sheila. To make things fit for the nons, they have to flex between making her out to have been a zombielike, weak little woman, and on the other hand a loving mother who was getting her life together.

[susan]

Adam wrong again as the investments Nevill had would have increased in value I suspect he was a shrewd business man and the caravan park would have been making a fortune.

[susan]

Adam I am not married just winding you up so we can get together.  Let me know the time and place I'll be there to kiss and comfort you"

[susan]

Alias we have a saying "if the cap fits wear it" that is what Adam does all the time

[Jan]

Adam  go back and read your post 205 and you will see where you said Jeremy would have to work another 15 years now you are saying 20.  I did read more of your posts as I flicked through them and I see in one you describe Nevill as a strong strapping ex RAF strong guy  in another a frail 61 year old who would need a phone in his bedroom because of the stairs.  As I went through your posts I thought to myself how sad I must be to be doing this it is only because it is raining and I cannot go walking

Its not raining here and I just did a walk - and guess what its still groundhog day Adam and Steve against the girls.

I would just like to say that the mention of the Will and that being the motive to me makes no sense - they were not the royal family for goodness sake . What else would they expect except for the assets to be split between both of them. That's what happens.And any way I just done see it as reason enough to kill your whole family ( otherwise there would be hundreds of such murders) . But if you see the evidence of SB illness and the indescribable things she said about her sons (independent statements by people who knew her) then there ,you can see not a motive ( because madness does not need a motive) but a definite build up to a very sad moment.

[grahameb]

There was nothing else he could do to "cover his tracks". Police had burned the carpets and bedding and Jeremy playing the innocent bereaved victim had conned the head of the investigation DCI Taff Jones. June and Nevill were similarly cremated to avoid an exhumation at a later stage. The map of the possible routes to the White House are here: I don't know the area but I assume there are many more possibilities travelling through open countryside.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

But it was you who wrote

He returned to the scene of the crime in early September ostensibly to get his passport but far more likely to cover his tracks forensically

[Jane]

Its not raining here and I just did a walk - and guess what its still groundhog day Adam and Steve against the girls.

I would just like to say that the mention of the Will and that being the motive to me makes no sense - they were not the royal family for goodness sake . What else would they expect except for the assets to be split between both of them. That's what happens.And any way I just done see it as reason enough to kill your whole family ( otherwise there would be hundreds of such murders) . But if you see the evidence of SB illness and the indescribable things she said about her sons (independent statements by people who knew her) then there ,you can see not a motive ( because madness does not need a motive) but a definite build up to a very sad moment.

Jansus, I believe it's much more comfortable, especially for men, to think of killings taking place because of such motives as greed and psychopathy, than to take the unknown path which leads to a mother's feelings that she would indulge in sexual relations with her boy children.