The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

april  I suspect Jeremy was a tad arrogant and did due to the way he had been brought up feel the police were slightly inferior to himself and he knew he was innocent and nothing to link him to the crimes so I can imagine how he behaved with the police not saying I agree with this type of behaviour because I don't.  Jeremy's behavior was due to his upbringing you know the saying "give me the boy and I will give you the man"

[susan]

steve you have your Justice Jeremy is serving a life sentence.  Do you want more.Perhaps for a change you can talk about Julie's bad behaviour allowing this dreadful crime to happen that is of course if she is telling the truth.

[Jane]

Susan there are many lies in this case and I'm afraid the one from Jeremy affecting love for his deceased parents is one of the biggest. It pervades the case at all levels whether you like it or not and tarnishes Jeremy's efforts for release to this day when he professes to walk with his victims daily in his prison cell where it will all come out in the wash,when all I want is justice for the five people he killed whilst wondering what to do with the problem we now face with all lifers growing old.

Steve, IMO, you've worked backwards. SO insistent are you that Jeremy committed this crime that you have to find reasons for him doing so. You've CHOSEN to overlook that Sheila's recent experiences had rendered her more than capable of it and you've CHOSEN to overlook the covetous agenda of other family members. Try to take on board that "loathing" is not an overnight occurrence. It builds up over time and it's basis is often jealousy........................I would add that I believe the link here is Julie and your own desire for the rectification of what can only be described as her APPALLING behaviour.

[Jane]

april  I suspect Jeremy was a tad arrogant and did due to the way he had been brought up feel the police were slightly inferior to himself and he knew he was innocent and nothing to link him to the crimes so I can imagine how he behaved with the police not saying I agree with this type of behaviour because I don't.  Jeremy's behavior was due to his upbringing you know the saying "give me the boy and I will give you the man"

Precisely so, Susan.

[susan]

april Excellent post.  steve wants Justice for the 5 victims surely Jeremy serving life is Justice enough what more could he want think you are right about Julie.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, IMO, you've worked backwards. SO insistent are you that Jeremy committed this crime that you have to find reasons for him doing so. You've CHOSEN to overlook that Sheila's recent experiences had rendered her more than capable of it and you've CHOSEN to overlook the covetous agenda of other family members. Try to take on board that "loathing" is not an overnight occurrence. It builds up over time and it's basis is often jealousy........................I would add that I believe the link here is Julie and your own desire for the rectification of what can only be described as her APPALLING behaviour.

The jealousy as farm secretary Barbara Wilson recently stated was Jeremy's,who saw the twins as usurpers to his status and inheritance and resented the way they were cosseted as his parents possibly recompensed for their failings with their own children. Sheila had worked through her emotions with June and no longer spoke of her or her own children in a derogatory manner with Dr. Ferguson during her second stay at St. Andrew's. As for Julie's statement,it is a warts and all record of her association with Jeremy for almost two years,which leaves no doubt in my mind as to Jeremy's involvement in the White House Farm murders.

[Alias]

What time did the police break in ?

Don't see why this is an issue. Everyone was dead inside upon entry.

They did not know that. In fact, they stayed outside for so long that morning because they thought that there might be someone alive in there - with a gun. Isn´t that a strange way for a raid team to conduct themselves? NOT doing their job and at least TRY to save the people inside who might be held hostages - two little boys to boot.

[Jane]

The jealousy as farm secretary Barbara Wilson recently stated was Jeremy's,who saw the twins as usurpers to his status and inheritance and resented the way they were cosseted as his parents possibly recompensed for their failings with their own children. Sheila had worked through her emotions with June and no longer spoke of her or her own children in a derogatory manner with Dr. Ferguson during her second stay at St. Andrew's. As for Julie's statement,it is a warts and all record of her association with Jeremy for almost two years,which leaves no doubt in my mind as to Jeremy's involvement in the White House Farm murders.

Steve, I believe we've already established that you know little of human psychology and whilst it may be possible for you to convince others that you have extensive knowledge, I don't believe it to be a subject on which you and I can hold a conversation.......................I would however be interested to learn your opinion of which occasion BW LIED, because her views of Jeremy are utterly polarized. I truly fail to see how it's possible for him to be BOTH a kind, courteous young man, more caring of her than her own son, yet in the next breath a veritable monster of whom she went in fear.

[Jan]

steve you have your Justice Jeremy is serving a life sentence.  Do you want more.Perhaps for a change you can talk about Julie's bad behaviour allowing this dreadful crime to happen that is of course if she is telling the truth.

Well said Susan. If certain posters believe he is guilty , then he is exactly where he should be . So why waste time on here. What are they afraid of? I think it very unlikely he will get out on a technicality - even if it is proved there was a mis-trial.  think it more likely that within the 100s of photos and apparently 1000s of pieces of evidence that the EP have still refused to release there will be something that will prove his position one way or the other. Or someone will break ranks and tell the truth about what happened on the night.It will just take one person to have a conscience and come forward and this will be solved once and for all.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I believe we've already established that you know little of human psychology and whilst it may be possible for you to convince others that you have extensive knowledge, I don't believe it to be a subject on which you and I can hold a conversation.......................I would however be interested to learn your opinion of which occasion BW LIED, because her views of Jeremy are utterly polarized. I truly fail to see how it's possible for him to be BOTH a kind, courteous young man, more caring of her than her own son, yet in the next breath a veritable monster of whom she went in fear.

Maybe because he was good at concealing his true feelings after confiding to pupils at Gresham's  about his parentage and being labelled "The Bastard" for eight years.

[Adam]

april Excellent post.  steve wants Justice for the 5 victims surely Jeremy serving life is Justice enough what more could he want think you are right about Julie.

Yes Jeremy serving life is justice.

[Jane]

Well said Susan. If certain posters believe he is guilty , then he is exactly where he should be . So why waste time on here. What are they afraid of? I think it very unlikely he will get out on a technicality - even if it is proved there was a mis-trial.  think it more likely that within the 100s of photos and apparently 1000s of pieces of evidence that the EP have still refused to release there will be something that will prove his position one way or the other. Or someone will break ranks and tell the truth about what happened on the night.It will just take one person to have a conscience and come forward and this will be solved once and for all.

And does it not seem crystal clear that if all of that secretly and firmly held onto evidence held ANYTHING AT ALL to further incriminate Jeremy, it would now be in the public domain, if only to stem the shouts of MoJ.

[Adam]

He was planning the murders for such long time but that never, ever thought about that til he was there wading about killing his closest family.  Give us a break Adam, only a vicious psychopath could carry out such a crime ........ that's why he has to be a psychopath even though proven not to be.  If he's not a psychopath he couldn't have done it, you know that,, you all know that.

Correct. Things do not always go to plan. Things are missed. Nevill put up a fight. Sheila had to be shot twice.

[Steve_uk]

Well said Susan. If certain posters believe he is guilty , then he is exactly where he should be . So why waste time on here. What are they afraid of? I think it very unlikely he will get out on a technicality - even if it is proved there was a mis-trial.  think it more likely that within the 100s of photos and apparently 1000s of pieces of evidence that the EP have still refused to release there will be something that will prove his position one way or the other. Or someone will break ranks and tell the truth about what happened on the night.It will just take one person to have a conscience and come forward and this will be solved once and for all.

Whether someone will find their conscience pricked with a £1million reward is one thing;how the Bamber is Guilty Brigade spend their leisure time is another. I will say this:Mike has done more with this site in a short space of time than any of those fancy London lawyers spending £200 per hour of clients' money.

[Jane]

Maybe because he was good at concealing his true feelings after confiding to pupils at Gresham's  about his parentage and being labelled "The Bastard" for eight years.

Only it seems, in your mind. Those who've examined him through the years find no trace of any personality disorder..................and in such confined space as he is in it would be more than difficult to hide nuances which could reveal something other.