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Offline grahameb

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #1455 on: December 14, 2013, 10:05:AM »
Do you think Jeremy climbed through the bathroom on the night of the murders. Or was tucked up in bed with his teddy bear ?
No. He doesn't have a teddy bear. ;)

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« Reply #1456 on: December 14, 2013, 10:06:AM »
Hello april  it is strange but I always refer to him as Ralph. ;D try better with your spelling april ;D ;D ;D




Susan, all those of his friends and known personally by me, call him Nevill.

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« Reply #1457 on: December 14, 2013, 10:07:AM »


Mwaaah :) It does SO irritate me when names are spelled incorrectly, Rohc.
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« Reply #1458 on: December 14, 2013, 10:08:AM »
EVIDENCE of an alleged botched police investigation will be used by lawyers in a fresh appeal from Jeremy Bamber, convicted nearly 30 years ago for the murder of five members of his family.In the submission, due to be put before the Criminal Cases Review Commission next month, it will be argued that the bloodstained silencer, used to secure Bamber's conviction, was not the only device of its kind found by officers on the farm in Tolleshunt D'Arcy, and could therefore have been subject to contamination.This will be the third time the CCRC, which reviews possible miscarriages of justice in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, has looked at Bamber's case after he was found guilty of the murders in 1985 and handed five life sentences.Former MP Andrew Hunter, who has been involved in the campaign for ten years, said: "We have discovered that there were three silencers taken from White House Farm, but only one was produced at trial and this was the one with Sheila's blood in it.



"There seems to have been so much confusion about which one was taken to police, with serial numbers being changed, that the evidence is unreliable."Another area of new evidence is that Nevill Bamber was found with burns on the back of his neck which it was argued were caused by the silencer on the murder weapon. We have obtained advice that this is not the case and the burns may have been caused without it."Bamber has spent more than 28 years behind bars after being convicted of killing his adopted parents June and Nevill, sister Sheila Caffell and her two sons Daniel and Nicholas at their family home, White House Farm, in Tolleshunt D'Arcy in 1985.It was Bamber's cousin David Boutflour who found a silencer in a cupboard at the farm three days after the murders, with Caffell's blood on it.It was key to the prosecution's case in the trial at Chelmsford Crown Court that the drop of Caffell's blood on the silencer meant she could not have shot herself then placed it in a cupboard downstairs.But despite the new evidence Mr Hunter, who was the Conservative MP for Basingstoke until 2005, admits it is difficult to hold out much hope for a reversal in the court's previous decisions."I don't raise my hopes we have been let down so many times before.
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #1459 on: December 14, 2013, 10:08:AM »
Hello april  Nevill without the e I guess.  ;D  I just like Ralph better suppose I could change it :'(

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« Reply #1460 on: December 14, 2013, 10:08:AM »
The windows were checked several times and nothing was found - then Jeremy becomes a suspect and "OH!! Look a hacksaw mark" - Garbage!! They only looked for blood type in those days - read the blood evidence!! But don't you think it's strange that none of Sheila's DNA was later found in the silencer?
They found no hacksaw or marks on the window that morning. They were all under the impression it was 4 murders and one suicide.

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« Reply #1461 on: December 14, 2013, 10:09:AM »
From 4 days ago.

See I do post positive posts about Jeremy.
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« Reply #1462 on: December 14, 2013, 10:11:AM »
EVIDENCE of an alleged botched police investigation will be used by lawyers in a fresh appeal from Jeremy Bamber, convicted nearly 30 years ago for the murder of five members of his family.In the submission, due to be put before the Criminal Cases Review Commission next month, it will be argued that the bloodstained silencer, used to secure Bamber's conviction, was not the only device of its kind found by officers on the farm in Tolleshunt D'Arcy, and could therefore have been subject to contamination.This will be the third time the CCRC, which reviews possible miscarriages of justice in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, has looked at Bamber's case after he was found guilty of the murders in 1985 and handed five life sentences.Former MP Andrew Hunter, who has been involved in the campaign for ten years, said: "We have discovered that there were three silencers taken from White House Farm, but only one was produced at trial and this was the one with Sheila's blood in it.



"There seems to have been so much confusion about which one was taken to police, with serial numbers being changed, that the evidence is unreliable."Another area of new evidence is that Nevill Bamber was found with burns on the back of his neck which it was argued were caused by the silencer on the murder weapon. We have obtained advice that this is not the case and the burns may have been caused without it."Bamber has spent more than 28 years behind bars after being convicted of killing his adopted parents June and Nevill, sister Sheila Caffell and her two sons Daniel and Nicholas at their family home, White House Farm, in Tolleshunt D'Arcy in 1985.It was Bamber's cousin David Boutflour who found a silencer in a cupboard at the farm three days after the murders, with Caffell's blood on it.It was key to the prosecution's case in the trial at Chelmsford Crown Court that the drop of Caffell's blood on the silencer meant she could not have shot herself then placed it in a cupboard downstairs.But despite the new evidence Mr Hunter, who was the Conservative MP for Basingstoke until 2005, admits it is difficult to hold out much hope for a reversal in the court's previous decisions."I don't raise my hopes we have been let down so many times before.

Even Andrew Hunter is saying a silencer had Sheila's blood on it.

Serial numbers, burn marks on backs.

The words 'straws' & 'clucthing' spring to mind.
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« Reply #1463 on: December 14, 2013, 10:12:AM »
Adam Chin up stay positive.  Do you think any new evidence is going to be plastered all over the internet.  Not the case Legal teams keep these matters very close to their chest until the time is right. ;)

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« Reply #1464 on: December 14, 2013, 10:12:AM »
DCI 'Taff' Jones, and other senior officers, believed and accepted that Ralph did make that call to Jeremy...
If they did not then for sure they would have put up proof that he didn't. Remember Jeremy was under surveilance at the time because of Operation Stokenchurch. So they knew he made that phonecall but because it was Special Branch carrying out the operation the evidence would not be presented to the court as it was a secret operation.

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« Reply #1465 on: December 14, 2013, 10:15:AM »
Adam well if Andrew Hunter said it guess it will be true as he is very pro Bamber. ;D

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« Reply #1466 on: December 14, 2013, 10:16:AM »
If they did not then for sure they would have put up proof that he didn't. Remember Jeremy was under surveilance at the time because of Operation Stokenchurch. So they knew he made that phonecall but because it was Special Branch carrying out the operation the evidence would not be presented to the court as it was a secret operation.

Who made what phone call ?
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« Reply #1467 on: December 14, 2013, 10:17:AM »
Scenario seems quite straight forward to me.

Man gets into house, picks up fully loaded gun.....


Talking of guns. There is a lot of different accounts on Sheila' s gun experience. Did anyone ever see her load a gun ?
Both Peter Eaton testified that she went on a shooting expedition in Scotland. She was farm girl. Work it out. I haven't met a farm hand or farmer yet who doesn't know about guns.

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« Reply #1468 on: December 14, 2013, 10:19:AM »
Why should there be blood on the bike ?

Interestingly, in court it was stated that blood was found in Jeremys car.It was not possible to determine whose blood it was, but it was human blood.
But according to you he used a bike. Both can't be true? I think you are grabbing at anything and everything to try and prove your case?

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #1469 on: December 14, 2013, 10:21:AM »
Both Peter Eaton testified that she went on a shooting expedition in Scotland. She was farm girl. Work it out. I haven't met a farm hand or farmer yet who doesn't know about guns.

Well she was a farm girl with mental health problems, living in London, sent to boarding school at an early age.

Relatives have said she would not know one end of a gun from the other.
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