The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

Hello Mike,

Even I am lost for words after that post.

[susan]

Adam that post is not worthy of a sensible reply

[Adam]

I think the word was unlikely!! But yet another said it was certainly possible. You haven't really done any research, you're just going over and over the same ground of the the phone call whist harping on about your scenario (which is frankly one of the poorer ones I have read). It is clear that you are one of the more closed minded guilty supporters - who will go over the same ground and stick your fingers in your ears chanting la, la if you hear something you can't explain. Sad!!

Well my thread is 97 pages. I have bern contributing throughout on -

Phones
Pathologist reports.
Windows.
Phone calls.
Scenarios.
Court testimonies.
Bullet wounds.
Transport.
Witness statements.
Mugford & other witnesses.
Books.
Family relations.
Silencers.
Jeremys driving.
Appeals.
Information sources.
Circumstantial evidence.
Interview transcripts.

Etc.

Going over the same ground ?

[Adam]

Adam that post is not worthy of a sensible reply

I have a teddy bear. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[Adam]

I think the word was unlikely!! But yet another said it was certainly possible. You haven't really done any research, you're just going over and over the same ground of the the phone call whist harping on about your scenario (which is frankly one of the poorer ones I have read). It is clear that you are one of the more closed minded guilty supporters - who will go over the same ground and stick your fingers in your ears chanting la, la if you hear something you can't explain. Sad!!

Why is my scenario poor ? It matches the crime scene & bullet allocation. There was no time consuming phone calls & Jeremy knew how to load guns. Jeremy is also much more likely to give Neville a brutal beating while Neville is still alive.

I put it up to be discussed.

[mike tesko]

DCI 'Taff' Jones, and other senior officers, believed and accepted that Ralph did make that call to Jeremy...

[maggie]

Hi Adam, I would dispute Sheila 'would be disabled by the pain of the injury'. I am pretty certains Sheila wouldn't feel any pain from the injury. Physical and mental trauma have the same effect, our bodies defence system rushes in. The blood would drain away from any areas except vital organs as initial body reaction is to maintain life. Sheila would therefore initially become unconcious. The probability is once her body discovered she would survive this injury she regained conciousness. Being so traumatised she would not feel the pain of her injury and her shocked brain would only deal with inconsequential facts, ie. She wouldn't be able to
rationalise or think beyond the trivial or a very strong desire to be where she believed she would feel safe and everything would be alright. She may if her determination was strong enough have had a go at getting herself upstairs, she may have only been able to make it as far as the main bedroom but could have been heading for the twins room, her only thought may have been to get to the twins
 room, in shock that could have been her only thought, to die with her boys but she couldn't go any further than the main bedroom, they say she was found on the bed, maybe she could go no further?
Just a thought as to what may have been Sheila's last moments.

Her trauma was

[Adam]

Hi Adam, I would dispute Sheila 'would be disabled by the pain of the injury'. I am pretty certains Sheila wouldn't feel any pain from the injury. Physical and mental trauma have the same effect, our bodies defence system rushes in. The blood would drain away from any areas except vital organs as initial body reaction is to maintain life. Sheila would therefore initially become unconcious. The probability is once her body discovered she would survive this injury she regained conciousness. Being so traumatised she would not feel the pain of her injury and her shocked brain would only deal with inconsequential facts, ie. She wouldn't be able to
rationalise or think beyond the trivial or a very strong desire to be where she believed she would feel safe and everything would be alright. She may if her determination was strong enough have had a go at getting herself upstairs, she may have only been able to make it as far as the main bedroom but could have been heading for the twins room, her only thought may have been to get to the twins
 room, in shock that could have been her only thought, to die with her boys but she couldn't go any further than the main bedroom, they say she was found on the bed, maybe she could go no further?
Just a thought as to what may have been Sheila's last moments.

Her trauma was

To be honest I have to go by what a Pathologist in court testified.

Why was no blood running down her nightie ?

[Jane]

I have a teddy bear. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Hmm, you also seem to have an overblown sense of self importance

[Adam]

Adam, most of what you say comes straight from Wilkes's book - people can just read/reread the book if they so desired.

Some of it does. Did you read the 5 star reviews I posted.

However as previously said i have read -

Witness statements.
Court appeal decisions.
Internet articles.
UK Justice forum.
Interview transcripts.
This forum.
Jeremys official site.

I have also watched all the Youtube videos.

[Adam]

Perfectly beleivable scenario for me -

Jeremy rides to WHF - He had a bike & knew the routes.

He gets through the bathroom window without making a noise  - He is used to getting in.

The phones are disabled & gun picked up.

He starts shooting a sleeping June - Blood on the pillow (5)

Neville wakes & gets up & is shot - Torso shots (4)

Neville heads to the kitchen - Back shot (1)

He is caught up and beaten - Gun is now empty. Nevilles black eyes, damaged jaw.

Gun re loaded and Neville shot again - Head shots (3)

June has staggered out of bed. She is shot again (2)

Sheila is woken & told she needs to go into the main bedroom. She is immediatly pulled to the floor, held down &  shot. Still alive she is shot again - Two bullet wounds (2)

The twins are shot while sleeping - Found in bed (eight).

Silencer taken off - Not found on gun.

A gun & bible is put on & by Sheila - Both found on/by her.

Bedroom phone brought downstairs & plugged in - No blood on phone.

Kitchen phone hidden - Found under newpapers. In working order.

Silencer put in box in gun cupboard - Found in a box in the gun cupboard.

Exit out of the kitchen window - Lockable from outside.

Back home, wash & get ready to make phone calls.

[Adam]

Scenario seems quite straight forward to me.

Man gets into house, picks up fully loaded gun.....


Talking of guns. There is a lot of different accounts on Sheila' s gun experience. Did anyone ever see her load a gun ?

[maggie]

To be honest I have to go by what a Pathologist in court testified.

Why was no blood running down her nightie ?

We don"t know why there wasn't as we don't know the true nature of her wound, whether it did bleed profusely or very little. Could have initially bled profusely and Sheila may have been unconcious and on her right side at that time accounting for the blood collected on her right side. Remember she hit a vein not an artery so blood would not gush out there are many possibilities and I am just pointing that out to you. Pretty certain Sheila would have instintively put her hand up to her neck wound which would account for blood trails on her arms and some of the blood on her hands so along with the blood under her right arm ee have to accept the wound did bleed at some point, unless the blood pooled under her right arm later if someone did try to resucitate her, the pooled blood is in the right place for such a possibility.
I am not claiming to be a pathologist am just pointing out a few of the many possibilities surrounding Sheila's behaviour after her first wound. I am not even saying, this is what I do or don't believe, am just following one train of thought.

[susan]

Adam as I have stated before the bike was forensically tested and nothing was found.  By the way will  not buy the book now by RW as you have posted most of it up on the forum I will keep reading your posts for the rest of it.  Just saved me one penny plus £2 p&p.

[maggie]

Scenario seems quite straight forward to me.

Man gets into house, picks up fully loaded gun.....

Talking of guns. There is a lot of different accounts on Sheila' s gun experience. Did anyone ever see her load or load a gun ?

Don't you realise it's straight forward to you because you start from the entrenched belief 1. That Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath, although proven over and over he isn"t but in your mind he had to be for your theory to work.
2. You are convinced he is guilty and your mind is closed to any other possibilities.
In those circumstances I'm sure you believe it's an open and shut case, pity you don't understand how to keep an open mind and to ponder and question. You say you have questions but you joined this forum believing you have all the answers. Imo you are here to time waste and disrupt that's the only reason for you to be here.