The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Adam I am not saying you should not read books on the murders at WHF but just don't expect me to read them I am very happy with the knowledge I have on this case and maybe I am not quite as forthcoming as you with my theories but I do have them. I do not get upset at anything I read about other people's views on Jeremy Bamber as they are quite meaningless to me.  I have other sources where I get excellent information on the WHF murders but I am very selective where I get my information from but I am not condeming you for reading outdated books stop going on the defensive so much.

[Jan]

By the way I would not give you a scenario because I am not a ballistics expert . But timing wise I do believe that SB  had time to shoot them all between 3.26 and when the police got there - but I do believe she was probably alive whilst they were outside . I am not going to speculate on the order or when she shot herself because we do not have full access to all the police logs ( which they appear to have changed anyway.) So that's all the answer you will get from me. But I will say none of your posts have managed to convince me of anything else .Mainly because they are based on hearsay and character  assumptions. Even if someone is a bad person , it does not make them a murderer. But I do not want JB out on a technicality - I would really like someone to come forward and tell the truth. Oh and I would add from other research I have done the police even mislead the jury regarding the ballistics evidence so even that can not be relied upon.

[Adam]

Adam I am not saying you should not read books on the murders at WHF but just don't expect me to read them I am very happy with the knowledge I have on this case and maybe I am not quite as forthcoming as you with my theories but I do have them. I do not get upset at anything I read about other people's views on Jeremy Bamber as they are quite meaningless to me.  I have other sources where I get excellent information on the WHF murders but I am very selective where I get my information from but I am not condeming you for reading outdated books stop going on the defensive so much.

Outdated. You cannot change the events on the night. What Jeremy did afterwards. What was said in interviews & in court. Statements at the time.

Jeremy has always been trying to get new evidence. Often making desparate claims.

If the new book is biased towards Jeremy there will no doubt be lots of alledged new information.

[Adam]

By the way I would not give you a scenario because I am not a ballistics expert . But timing wise I do believe that SB  had time to shoot them all between 3.26 and when the police got there - but I do believe she was probably alive whilst they were outside . I am not going to speculate on the order or when she shot herself because we do not have full access to all the police logs ( which they appear to have changed anyway.) So that's all the answer you will get from me. But I will say none of your posts have managed to convince me of anything else .Mainly because they are based on hearsay and character  assumptions. Even if someone is a bad person , it does not make them a murderer. But I do not want JB out on a technicality - I would really like someone to come forward and tell the truth. Oh and I would add from other research I have done the police even mislead the jury regarding the ballistics evidence so even that can not be relied upon.

I am going by facts. Such as today saying what the pathologist said in court.

Even then no one agreed that Sheila could not walk around after the first shot.

You know I would rip you're scenario apart. Sheila has to reload twice, brutally beat Neville & Neville has to make two phone calls. One to Jeremy !

[Jan]

Outdated. You cannot change the events on the night. What Jeremy did afterwards. What was said in interviews & in court. Statements at the time.

Jeremy has always been trying to get new evidence. Often making desparate claims.

If the new book is biased towards Jeremy there will no doubt be lots of alledged new information.

Bet you would not be making that statement if one of your family had died In the Liverpool tragedy.

[susan]

Adam I am not trying to change the events of the night why would I try and do that.  I just think Jeremy Bamber had a very unfair Trial.  What I am interested in is the evidence that has not been disclosed and why so much evidence was destoyed. 

[grahameb]

Outdated. You cannot change the events on the night. What Jeremy did afterwards. What was said in interviews & in court. Statements at the time.

Jeremy has always been trying to get new evidence. Often making desparate claims.

If the new book is biased towards Jeremy there will no doubt be lots of alledged new information.

When did you join? December 1st? Here's what you wrote then:

At present I have an open mind & lots of questions. Am ready to be persuaded one way or the other.

Didn't take you long before you placed your feet firmly in the guilty camp did it?

[Jan]

I am going by facts. Such as today saying what the pathologist said in court.

Even then no one agreed that Sheila could not walk around after the first shot.

You know I would rip you're scenario apart. Sheila has to reload twice, brutally beat Neville & Neville has to make two phone calls. One to Jeremy !

fine - rip my scenario apart if it makes you happy. I never professed to be an expert unlike you. But I am still entitled to my opinion. And that's all it is.

[susan]

Well said jansus

[Adam]

Adam I am not trying to change the events of the night why would I try and do that.  I just think Jeremy Bamber had a very unfair Trial.  What I am interested in is the evidence that has not been disclosed and why so much evidence was destoyed.

Unfair trial ?

It lasted 19 days & Jeremy paid for the best available lawyers.

[Jan]

lets all keep adam happy and just agree with him. That might confuse him :D

[Adam]

fine - rip my scenario apart if it makes you happy. I never professed to be an expert unlike you. But I am still entitled to my opinion. And that's all it is.

I would if you made one.

I had the courage to.

[Jan]

Unfair trial ?

It lasted 19 days & Jeremy paid for the best available lawyers.

you are right - its all about the time it takes - not the evidence from the file that went missing in the burglary or the missing police logs. Spot on

[Jan]

I would if you made one.

I had the courage to.

But I explained why I would not do that . I am not as clever as you

[Jane]

lets all keep adam happy and just agree with him. That might confuse him :D

Going along the line of not being able to change the behaviour of another person, but changing our own attitude TO their behaviour, I'd say that you're more likely to shut him up by agreeing with him than arguing with him :D