The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

wonder why. In your scenario its not true . His father would have been dead and could not of made the call - so why bother to say it? That's you not JB.

Yes that is my scenario. Matching the crime scene & bullet allocation.

Do you have a scenario ?

[susan]

Adam please tell me which book is that a recently written one.

[Jan]

Sorry Jansus, it wasn't in any way directed at you. I can tell the difference between an open mind and a wind up :D :D :D

no that's ok I know it was not intended for me

[HMEssex]

but if the farm was not surrounded then how did they know no one else was about? I was just reading that very interesting thread about the threats the family had received and that reports about the  inside locked room. In normal circumstances if a case became murder the police would look at anyone with a motive -it seems that the JB scenario was the only one they considered . Now if I believed the house was totally secure - then fair enough - but I am not sure of any of their logs now. The family just handed  it to them on a plate , and covered up the fact they had got rid of nearly all forensics.

Nevill and June had been threatened, due to his work as a Magistrate - bullets were thrown at them, whilst sitting in a car park.  Nevill also received a 'questionable' phone call.

The farmhouse was secured from the inside - so how could anyone get out?

The police got rid of most of the forensics, at the time.  The family just 'discovered' something that wasn't there when police searched the house.

[Adam]

on - 19 Feb 2009This is an excellent who-dun-it true life crime mystery. This is an excellent non-biased book about Jeremy Bamber and the murder at White House Farm. Did Jeremy Bamber carry out this awful massacre of his family - although I believe he may well have, am not entirely convinced. If he did, then I feel sure his girlfriend at that time Julie Mugford, knew more than she let on and only went to the police when he dumped her as she did not want to be implicated in any way. Also, if he did commit the crime he would not have been able to say she had known of his plans, otherwise that would have been admitting his guilt. I was very concerned when reading this very intriguing story that the young Caffell children should ever have been allowed to stay in a house where guns were kept loaded or unloaded in shower rooms, kitchen, den, etc., although no comment was ever made in book about this. I found this book almost impossible to put down, extremely well-written and easy and straight-forward to read. Would recommend to all real-life crime readers - best book I've read in years.

For Susan

One of the reviews on Amazon. All the reviews gave it 5 stars.

Blood Relations. Jeremy Bamber & the Whit House Farm murders.

Roger Wilkes.

[Adam]

Great account of the White House Farm Shootings of 1985. Its a classic account of a whodunit ; either Jeremy Bamber or his mentally ill sister Sheila, of whom only one could have caused the deaths since Sheila was found dead herself. The book leaves you in no doubt that Jeremy Bamber is guilty but still very much leads you to make your own judgement based on the evidence thoroughly presented. Its very obvious based on the circumstantial evidence that Bamber is guilty. It would surely simply be too much for so many people to be biased or self interested, including the police, family of those murdered and primary witness Julie Mugford, who attested that Jeremy had admitted wanting to kill his family. This is one of those very interesting cases whereby had the police done a better job, the rightful killer (Bamber or Sheila) would have been found from day 1. As it was with no DNA evidence in 1985, exhibits not found by the police (the rifle moderator) at the start and a bungled investigation, the truth may never be known with any certainty. One thing for sure is that Jeremy Bamber knows himself! Understand that a new book is to come out soon by former MP Andrew Hunter (pro Bamber) called 'beyond reasonable doubt'.Was this review helpful?HelpfulNot Helpful

Another review.

[grahameb]

Jeremy had the best lawyers available. Straight away they knew it was going to be an extremley difficult case to win.

I beg to differ. I suggest that they thought he wouldn't be convicted on such shallow evidence?

[Jan]

Nevill and June had been threatened, due to his work as a Magistrate - bullets were thrown at them, whilst sitting in a car park.  Nevill also received a 'questionable' phone call.

The farmhouse was secured from the inside - so how could anyone get out?

The police got rid of most of the forensics, at the time.  The family just 'discovered' something that wasn't there when police searched the house.

 
So do you think the thread about the inside locked room and the roof hatch was not true?  I still believe sB did it  was just surprised that the family had other threats . Like I said I have an open mind but if we accept JB is telling the truth then there was no one else involved. Also the logs the police made are so inconsistent it makes it hard to establish the facts.

[grahameb]

on - 19 Feb 2009This is an excellent who-dun-it true life crime mystery. This is an excellent non-biased book about Jeremy Bamber and the murder at White House Farm. Did Jeremy Bamber carry out this awful massacre of his family - although I believe he may well have, am not entirely convinced. If he did, then I feel sure his girlfriend at that time Julie Mugford, knew more than she let on and only went to the police when he dumped her as she did not want to be implicated in any way. Also, if he did commit the crime he would not have been able to say she had known of his plans, otherwise that would have been admitting his guilt. I was very concerned when reading this very intriguing story that the young Caffell children should ever have been allowed to stay in a house where guns were kept loaded or unloaded in shower rooms, kitchen, den, etc., although no comment was ever made in book about this. I found this book almost impossible to put down, extremely well-written and easy and straight-forward to read. Would recommend to all real-life crime readers - best book I've read in years.

For Susan

One of the reviews on Amazon. All the reviews gave it 5 stars.

Blood Relations. Jeremy Bamber & the Whit House Farm murders.

Roger Wilkes.

If it was unbiased how come you believe Bamber to be guilty then?

[HMEssex]

Adam -  are you c+p from amazon by any chance?

[Adam]

010who could forget this awful crime, a very well written book, couldnt put it down, very factual, allows you to make your own mind up, remember this case well, well i did back then, and my opinion is the same now, as far as im concerned, common sense prevailed at the trial and bamber was found guilty of all the murders, what i do believe is that jeremy believes he is innocent and will fight to the end to prove it, if he secures an appeal in the future and is released, it will be on a technicality, wait and see, i hope he rots in jail then onto hell. Rest in peace sheila, nicholas, daniel, neville and june.7 of 10 people found this review helpfulHelpful

Another review.

[maggie]

on - 19 Feb 2009This is an excellent who-dun-it true life crime mystery. This is an excellent non-biased book about Jeremy Bamber and the murder at White House Farm. Did Jeremy Bamber carry out this awful massacre of his family - although I believe he may well have, am not entirely convinced. If he did, then I feel sure his girlfriend at that time Julie Mugford, knew more than she let on and only went to the police when he dumped her as she did not want to be implicated in any way. Also, if he did commit the crime he would not have been able to say she had known of his plans, otherwise that would have been admitting his guilt. I was very concerned when reading this very intriguing story that the young Caffell children should ever have been allowed to stay in a house where guns were kept loaded or unloaded in shower rooms, kitchen, den, etc., although no comment was ever made in book about this. I found this book almost impossible to put down, extremely well-written and easy and straight-forward to read. Would recommend to all real-life crime readers - best book I've read in years.

For Susan

One of the reviews on Amazon. All the reviews gave it 5 stars.

Blood Relations. Jeremy Bamber & the Whit House Farm murders.

Roger Wilkes.

They are just random reviews, don't really mean much.  Wilkes's book was interesting but was written a long time ago, far more evidence has come to light since this book was written.

[Adam]

You base all of your posts on it - try diversifying and reading some of the statements and transcripts in the archives and you would be better informed!!

No I do not. I have watched all the Youtube videos, all the internet articles, interview transcripts. Witness Statements, court appeal summaries, the UK Justice Forum, this forum.

[susan]

Thank you Adam very kind of you to give me the reviews on the RW book.  But I am sorry to disappoint you I have no interest whatsoever in reading it 19 years has gone by and so much has changed.  Now Mason Doyles book has the latest evidence that has been uncovered or released either by accident or otherwise maybe new witnesses have come forward and the book is being approached from a totally different angle.  We are on this forum really excited about the book and he has told us the book is based on FACTS not hearsay or gossip so when you have read it you may change your way of thinking on the Jeremy Bamber case.

[Adam]

Great account of the White House Farm Shootings of 1985. Its a classic account of a whodunit ; either Jeremy Bamber or his mentally ill sister Sheila, of whom only one could have caused the deaths since Sheila was found dead herself. The book leaves you in no doubt that Jeremy Bamber is guilty but still very much leads you to make your own judgement based on the evidence thoroughly presented. Its very obvious based on the circumstantial evidence that Bamber is guilty. It would surely simply be too much for so many people to be biased or self interested, including the police, family of those murdered and primary witness Julie Mugford, who attested that Jeremy had admitted wanting to kill his family. This is one of those very interesting cases whereby had the police done a better job, the rightful killer (Bamber or Sheila) would have been found from day 1. As it was with no DNA evidence in 1985, exhibits not found by the police (the rifle moderator) at the start and a bungled investigation, the truth may never be known with any certainty. One thing for sure is that Jeremy Bamber knows himself! Understand that a new book is to come out soon by former MP Andrew Hunter (pro Bamber) called 'beyond reasonable doubt'.Was this review helpful?HelpfulNot Helpful

Another review.