The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

Adam where is this documented about Jeremy was looking very calm.  How does one look calm.

I'm afraid it is just one of those contradictory things that the guilty party are always putting out. Either he is very calm. Or he's out there dictating to officers what to do. Either way he's guilty according to them.

[Adam]

But before you said he was taking charge? What has changed your opinion?

I did say he was taking charge. Then another poster said that was not the case.

He rang the police & drove very slowly to WHF.

Upon arrival he told them what Neville had said about a crazy Sheila having the gun. Then said Sheila is a 'nutter' who 'I don't like & she doesn't like me'. He then walked around the house & at some point drew a map of the inside. He then took a back seat in a car. Probably on the instruction of the police.

[Adam]

I think most of us are aware of what went down - what's your point?

Just answering you're question.

My point earlier was that driving very slowly to WHF & arriving after the police, even though the police were a lot further away is suspicious. Not just to me.

Neville had rang Jeremy, he needed him. Why drive slowly ?

[Adam]

Or maybe Neville didn't ring Jeremy ?

[Adam]

Would the driving slowly be part of the 'mountain' of circumstantial evidence the judge mentioned ?

[Adam]

Grahame EP waited to storm the farm house as they did see movement and knew somebody was still alive in there what other explanation can they give.  Adam talks about Jeremy being slow.

The engaged phone line was cleared. Sheila was in there,   making barking noises that sounded very similar to the family dog found underneath the bed.

[Adam]

Only to you! I don't think Sheila put her hand over the phone at all!!

AS to the second question, you basically said that Neville was a frail old man the other day, because it suited the point you were trying to make at the time. However, with a chronic back problem and being severely injured, I'm sure even someone of my size would have no problem over powering him - especially in the throws of a psychotic attack and Sheila was bigger than me. We have already established that the notion of 'not a mark on her is myth!!

Barbara Wilson said in the recent documentary that Neville could restrain Sheila with one arm.

[nugnug]

what even if she had a gun in her hand.

how would barbra wilson know this had she ever seen him do  it.

i very much doubt if he would of talked to her about it.

[Roch]

Barbara Wilson said in the recent documentary that Neville could restrain Sheila with one arm.

Aye, maybe she did claim this.  But that doesn't actually mean that he did or would or got a chance to or took the chance at the right time to... before he couldn't.

[nugnug]

i cant see how barbra willson could posbly know this.

i doubt if ralph would of disscused retrianing his daughter with her.

[Nickos]

Hi Nickos, I accept that your reasoning has lead you to the conclusion JB is guilty however, it is only your opinion based on the evidence we know.

Maggie are you basing your reasoning on evidence we don't know?

It is just as easy to believe there is a reasonable possibility of doubt based on available evidence. You can state that the phone call categorically didn't happen but you cannot prove it.

I clearly believe the phone call didn't happen, and I don't have to prove it - JB is already on the inside. Those that believe him innocent have to prove Nevill did make a call.

Its true JB is in prison and has been for 28 years so why argue his guilt, he's where you want him to be, so what's the argument?  Is it that you are not as certain as you claim to be and your argument is more about keeping yourself convinced than others?

Hey the Forum is for debate and I can keep on insisting JB did it, and you (and others) can keep on insisting he didn't.

I try and balance the debate.

No offence Nick but JB is one of the most securely locked up prisoners in this country and without a miracle will probably remain that way for the rest of his life. Isn't there a teeny weeny doubt that a young man incarcerated at 24 years old and sentenced to the rest of his life in prison may, just may be as innocent as he claims to be?. Have you seriously considered what a disaster this is for him if he is in fact innocent?

Yes I have considered your point (and no offence taken) , and also considered that if JB is the murderer (and of course that is my stance, along with many others) then he is in the right place.

Therefore there is no disaster.

The disaster would be in releasing a convicted murderer on a technicality.


All documents should be released. IF, and it's a  big one, this proves JB innocent, and not just on some botched paperwork, then so be it, but I really don't think this is going to happen - in JB's lifetime! 

[Roch]

All documents should be released. IF, and it's a  big one, this proves JB innocent, and not just on some botched paperwork, then so be it, but I really don't think this is going to happen - in JB's lifetime!

That makes it sound like you do believe it will happen after he's dead.  Possibly after we're all dead.  Sounds like you harbour some doubts about guilt to me.

[Jane]

That makes it sound like you do believe it will happen after he's dead.  Possibly after we're all dead.  Sounds like you harbour some doubts about guilt to me.

OR hedging bets

[susan]

Hello Adam

Are you saying that Sheila was alive in WHF when the police arrived on the scene with Jeremy sat in the back of the car looking calm

[Adam]

what even if she had a gun in her hand.

how would barbra wilson know this had she ever seen him do  it.

i very much doubt if he would of talked to her about it.

Barbara Wilson knew them both. It is the opinion of someone who knew both of them quite well.