The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

That is partly what forums are for . To speculate.

If Neville was attacked while on the phone, he would have ended the conversation & automatically put the phone back on the hook.

As in, "I say, old girl, would you mind backing off for a moment while Daddy replaces the receiver"!!!?

[Adam]

As in, "I say, old girl, would you mind backing off for a moment while Daddy replaces the receiver"!!!?

Sorry just amended my post to include 'not'.

[Jane]

 

Sorry just amended my post to include 'not'.

 

[susan]

Adam Ralph would have just dropped the phone and ran to see what was happening but anyway I may change my scenario yet.   Did you notice I asked Patti earlier if Sheila could access the bedrooms from the backstairs from the kitchen

[Patti]

That is partly what forums are for . To speculate.

If Neville was attacked while on the phone, he would have ended the conversation & automatically put the phone back on the hook.

Yeah but.  Lets say at this point Neville had not been injured at all and he wanted Jeremy's support because Sheila was behaving somewhat silly with a rifle/gun.

We can speculate that if Neville used the phone to call Jeremy, she might have felt betrayed by her father just like she did when Freddie phoned her doctor when she became ill that night.  Freddie clearly says in his statement that she went more berserk when I used the phone. Could this have been the case when her father phoned Jeremy? Could she have pressed the cut off button on the phone? It is possible. 

What is not possible of course is that Neville had any injuries at this point. 

[Adam]

That is actually a very good observation. I'll give you that. If Jeremy could not get in and Ralph knew it, then why phone Jeremy?

Perhaps Neville thought if there was a chance he could get past a crazy Sheila & open the front door, everything would be alright.

Although Jeremy thought Sheila was a 'nutter' & 'he didn't like her & she didn't like him'' Neville thought Jeremy would save the day. 

[Jan]

reference the phones there is a thread on here with a statement from a mr pike   that one phone was removed on 5th august that JB was not aware because he was not in the house at the time - my point being that although the thunderstorm was earlier in time there was still problems with the phones and JB did not know in detail exactly which ones were working or where they all were.

[Adam]

Yeah but.  Lets say at this point Neville had not been injured at all and he wanted Jeremy's support because Sheila was behaving somewhat silly with a rifle/gun.

We can speculate that if Neville used the phone to call Jeremy, she might have felt betrayed by her father just like she did when Freddie phoned her doctor when she became ill that night.  Freddie clearly says in his statement that she went more berserk when I used the phone. Could this have been the case when her father phoned Jeremy? Could she have pressed the cut off button on the phone? It is possible. 



What is not possible of course is that Neville had any injuries at this point. 

I amended my post to include 'not'. The phone being off the hook is most likely to happen by Sheila pressing the termination button.

Neville will put the phone back on the hook himself if he was not being attacked. The police or Jeremy may call back.

Perhaps Jeremy took the kitchen phone off the hook to back up his story ?

[Jan]

Perhaps Neville thought if there was a chance he could get past a crazy Sheila & open the front door, everything would be alright.

Although Jeremy thought Sheila was a 'nutter' & 'he didn't like her & she didn't like her' Neville tjought Jeremy would save the day.

I think in a situation when someone has just grabbed a gun and you don't know what they are going to do with it  you would want some support from another family member as soon as possible. At that point he probably would not believe his own daughter would actually fire at the family , perhaps he thought she might just fire "madly" at walls or furniture - or perhaps he did think she would harm herself , but at that point even he might not realise the full extent of what she was about to do. So I agree perhaps he thought he could contain her , and let JB in. But within minutes the situation changed.

[Patti]

I amended my post to include 'not'. The phone being off the hook is most likely to happen by Sheila pressing the termination button.

Neville will put the phone back on the hook himself if he was not being attacked. The police or Jeremy may call back.

Perhaps Jeremy took the kitchen phone off the hook to back up his story ?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Maybe Neville placed the phone down in that position himself, its a shame fingerprints were never taken at the time to prove this one way or the other.   

[Adam]

I think in a situation when someone has just grabbed a gun and you don't know what they are going to do with it  you would want some support from another family member as soon as possible. At that point he probably would not believe his own daughter would actually fire at the family , perhaps he thought she might just fire "madly" at walls or furniture - or perhaps he did think she would harm herself , but at that point even he might not realise the full extent of what she was about to do. So I agree perhaps he thought he could contain her , and let JB in. But within minutes the situation changed.

Why is the phone off the hook ?

Family support from Jeremy ? That is like asking Oliver Reed to support a recovering alcoholic !

[Adam]

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Maybe Neville placed the phone down in that position himself, its a shame fingerprints were never taken at the time to prove this one way or the other.   

Do not think phone fingerprints are that important. Everyone used the phone.

Talking of fingerprints, was there only two fingerprints found on the rifle, as if it had been wiped ? Thought Sheila's fingerprints would be all over the rifle.

[maggie]

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Maybe Neville placed the phone down in that position himself, its a shame fingerprints were never taken at the time to prove this one way or the other.   

Hi Patti, It is possible that Nevill depressed the cradle with one hand and just dropped the receiver and ran if he heard a serious disturbance or a shot.

[susan]

Adam you said Jeremy was wearing gloves so his fingerprints would not be on the rifle.  Sheila's prints were found on the shotgun.

[Adam]

Hi Patti, It is possible that Nevill depressed the cradle with one hand and just dropped the receiver and ran if he heard a serious disturbance or a shot.

Doubtful. Just putting the phone back on the hook would be just as quick. It is also the normal thing to do when finishing a call.